101st and Memorial

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

My thoughts exactly.  I have never heard the words "good jobs and Wal Mart" in the same sentence until now.  From what I have read they offer subpar benefits and don't treat their employees very well.  Not to mention there are two supercenters (3 miles north and 1 mile south) of the location you are referring to and a neighborhood market 3 miles away at 81st and Sheridan.  I personally think thats plenty of walmart's for those people.

Wal-Mart Jobs are good jobs. They pay more and have better benefits than the other stores do. I worked at a Target Warehouse return center in Indianapolois and they treat  ya like dirt. The turn over rate is sky high. The workers also must pass thru a metal detector entering and leaving the plant. The pay is the Pitts. We had a 15 minute break that was cut to 10 minutes, they have no "parties" at Christmas or Thanksgiving like many other companies have. I worked there as a temp worker and was discharged because I turned down a perm job offer after my 90 days. I did not enjoy my time working there.. I was an scanner for "M&M" (Movies & Music". The quotas are high we had to scan over 567 pcs per hour.. They can't keep workers, hardly anyone has senority over 1 year. I know bad jobs..[xx(]

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

OK I did not know that. I thought the Wal-Mart store on Memorial street closed up. That's great then. I did not know of a store on 111st. I seldom go that far south in Tulsa.[}:)]

Memorial Drive in Tulsa has the nasty distinction of having three Wal-Mart Supercenters located on it. 121st Street will also soon have three Supercenters with new store that is about to open in Glenpool (the others are in Sapulpa and Broken Arrow). Tulsa now has plenty of Wal-Marts, thank you. A single street with three of those ugly monsters on it is shocking, and the Tulsa area does it twice.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

OK I did not know that. I thought the Wal-Mart store on Memorial street closed up. That's great then. I did not know of a store on 111st. I seldom go that far south in Tulsa.[}:)]

91st&Mem WM --> 111th&Mem WM Supercenter
43rd&Mem WM --> 71st&Mem WM Supercenter

[sauerkraut]

I'm a firm believer that no city can have too many Wal-Marts. No matter how many stores a city has, the stores are all busy and choked with people. We have 2 Wal-Mart stores about 3 miles apart both are busy at all hours of the day & night. At Christmas time the parking lots of both stores were full to the brim.[]

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

I'm a firm believer that no city can have too many Wal-Marts. No matter how many stores a city has, the stores are all busy and choked with people. We have 2 Wal-Mart stores about 3 miles apart both are busy at all hours of the day & night. At Christmas time the parking lots of both stores were full to the brim.[]

Yeah, at Christmas time.  The rest of the year it is just a half empty sea of asphault.

[patric]

"I'm very unlikely to vote with these residential folks in this thing," McArtor is heard saying. "I've looked at this thing and think it's a great idea...."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080219_1_A8_hHesa84687

Sounds like someone's made up his mind.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

"I'm very unlikely to vote with these residential folks in this thing," McArtor is heard saying. "I've looked at this thing and think it's a great idea...."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=11&articleID=20080219_1_A8_hHesa84687

Sounds like someone's made up his mind.

Bill Christiansen sent him a letter to recuse himself from voting.  And with comments like that you have to wonder if the board vote hasn't been tainted and it should just be forwarded on to the council.

It is no wonder that neighborhoods don't trust INCOG and TMAPC with crap like this going on.

[joiei]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

OK I did not know that. I thought the Wal-Mart store on Memorial street closed up. That's great then. I did not know of a store on 111st. I seldom go that far south in Tulsa.[}:)]

They closed the one at Memorial and the Railroad tracks when they opened the new one down on the back side of Woodland Hills Mall.

[swake]

I was in the area yesterday and I drove the street that will divide the Target center from the neighborhood and at the end of the Target lot (which is huge by the way) is a construction site for a massive new, and massively well lit, parking lot that I guess is going to be used by one of the area car lots. This lot is actually on the same side of the street as the neighborhood. It's going to be a lot more impactful, at the very least from a lighting perspective, than a Target store.

Did the neighborhood fight this lot? If not, why not?

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by swake

It's going to be a lot more impactful, at the very least from a lighting perspective, than a Target store.

That's so people buying cars at 3am can shop like it's noon.

Of course, the electric bill just gets tacked onto the car sticker, so no one cares except the people who live nearby who will never know another good night's sleep.

There are communities who dont allow this, BTW.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by swake

It's going to be a lot more impactful, at the very least from a lighting perspective, than a Target store.

That's so people buying cars at 3am can shop like it's noon.

Of course, the electric bill just gets tacked onto the car sticker, so no one cares except the people who live nearby who will never know another good night's sleep.

There are communities who dont allow this, BTW.

i'm not sure I follow here, probably because I ignore Wakeford^3.  If you are trying to say the car lots generate more light in the neighborhood that is false because they only light the front lots 24/7.

[TUalum0982]

I love when citizen's try to tell people what they can or can not build on the property they rightfully own.  Channel 6's website has an article and one of the complaint's is that "the area couldn't handle all that traffic" yet it goes on to say once upon of time these same resident's were calling it "Utica Square South".  So Utica Square doesn't do much business? What a lousy excuse IMO.  If you don't like what the developer/builder wants to put there, buy the property yourself.  It's ridiculous to think that there is all this commercial property around you (ie the car dealerships, movie theater, grocery store, fast food restaurants) but yet they will just leave that corner undeveloped.  You homeowners should have thought about this before you moved there.

[patric]

"Planning Commission OK's shopping center at 101st and Memorial"
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080220_1__TheTu41863

Do I see an unplanned resignation in my crystal ball?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by patric

"Planning Commission OK's shopping center at 101st and Memorial"
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080220_1__TheTu41863

Do I see an unplanned resignation in my crystal ball?

McArtor?

[sgrizzle]

80' setback is nice. Beats the housing developer's 80" setback.