101st and Memorial

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by inteller


no we live in the neighborhood, Target lives in another world and wants to destroy ours.

Yeah, Target would be worse than the movie theater, the car dealerships, and Trinity Restoration.

Or not. I'd rather have a Target in Tulsa that I can walk to than one in Bixby that I'd have to drive to.

Memorial is not Mingo, nor is it Yale. Unlike the others, Memorial is heavy commercial along almost its entire length. Perhaps one ought not live along a road of that character if one doesn't like that sort of development.

I'd be just as happy if it weren't a Super Target, but maybe a Target with groceries would get Food Pyramid to start paying attention to the product they're selling, rather than rearranging the deck chairs. A Whole Foods would also be nice.

I had great hopes for Food Pyramid.....so far I've been disappointed.

We are building on Sheridan between 181st & 191st and would love a grocery store in the area other than Doc, Wal-Mart and the Pyramid." A lot of times we end up driving to the Reasor's in Jenks. The South side of the river in Bixby desperately needs a grocery store to compete with the crap hole that is Doc's. Oh well...that's a whole other story.... Sigh.

[inteller]

Troy Aikman and Co are trying to get the meeting postponed until the 6th of Feb.  No word yet if Bumgartner will do that.

[FOTD]

JB is smarter than everyone of us combined.

Where most land owners must give the land to Target to get a deal done, he has managed another LARGE sale price. This indicates done deal....

[Composer]

I wasn't trying to say that nothing will ever happen in Glenpool.  What I meant to say is that retail growth will be delayed since Tulsa beat them to it.  Same with 71st and Broken Arrow.  It has taken nearly 10 years, but Broken Arrow is not getting some good retail.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

JB is smarter than everyone of us combined.

Where most land owners must give the land to Target to get a deal done, he has managed another LARGE sale price. This indicates done deal....

nothing is done until the TMAPC and council approves it (or in the event they roll over, until the appeals process is exhausted)

[swake]

Price of land for development at 101st and Memorial, 2.3 million dollars

Price to build a Super Target store on the land, 25 million dollars

Watching a complete Inteller meltdown over a target store being built on Memorial, priceless.

[inteller]

just a backgrounder on the guy pushing this through.

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3791

His audacity knows no bounds.

And just like in that case, he thinks he can agree to rules set years ago and then simply opt out of them.

[Composer]

Target Corp. recently paid $2.58 million for 11 acres of land along the Broken Arrow Expressway in Broken Arrow for a General Merchandise Store (approx. 127,000 Sq. ft.)

[South County]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by South County

quote:Originally posted by Composer

I agree with Inteller.  Hunt Properties is developing Bixby Centennial Plaza.  They are the same company that developed Smith Farm in Owasso.  I think they know what it takes to get Target.  There are plenty of parking spaces for Target at 121st.  That location is better suited for Target anyway.  You can take 121st west all the way to Riverside Dr. and Memorial is not as crowded at 121st.  I think the Bixby location would be better for them.

However, I think the city of Tulsa has a mission.  Their mission is to fill the boundaries of the city with retail so that the suburbs have less of a chance to get big box stores.  That is exactly what they did at 71st and Garnett/169 area.  That development but a damper on Broken Arrow getting retail for several years.  Now Broken Arrow is finally getting a Target and Marshall's and many other stores.  Tulsa saw what happened in Owasso and does not want to see that happen in Bixby either.  Broken Arrow will continue to grow far enough east that they will be able to get more retail.  If Tulsa puts a Target bordering Bixby, the city of Bixby will lose out on ever getting a Target.  

Many North Tulsa shoppers shop in Owasso.  If Tulsa could figure out how to get a Wal-Mart or Target near N. Tulsa, people would not be traveling to Owasso as much.  Tulsa Hills is a way at keeping people from going to Jenks or Glenpool for retail.  Yes, Glenpool is getting a nice Wal-Mart but I would not look for them to get a Best Buy, Target, or Lowe's.

Not to sure about your Glenpool analysis. There is another major corner at 151st and 75 and the sign on the SE corner says sold. If Glenpool can get commercial development to take hold there (and word is buzzing about it), they would have effectively extended the retail bracketing south 3 more miles into the City limits. I know some think the area is too green, but with Bixby housing (south and west of the river) moving westward the 151st corner looks more and more viable everyday. []

Remember Lowe's built and 71st & 169 and then just about 5-6 miles further south at 121st and Memorial. It wouldn't be unheard for them to be 8 miles apart (71st and 75 and 151st and 75)[:O]

Isn't that SE corner owned by a church? I seem to remember a sign saying "Future home of Church    name X"

They are getting cheaper land down the road (151st) from their association. I beleive they are looking to sell their 5 acres to build on the cheaper land.

[inteller]

did I not read somewhere that Target was going to locate at 95th and Deleware?

[South County]

quote:Originally posted by Composer

I wasn't trying to say that nothing will ever happen in Glenpool.  What I meant to say is that retail growth will be delayed since Tulsa beat them to it.  Same with 71st and Broken Arrow.  It has taken nearly 10 years, but Broken Arrow is not getting some good retail.

Ok... but I see it a bit differently. I think the 71st center actually proved that development will work west of the river. Now developers and retailers are looking all along the south 75 corridoor for opportunity. Just ask McGraw or Frisbee.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by South County

quote:Originally posted by Composer

I wasn't trying to say that nothing will ever happen in Glenpool.  What I meant to say is that retail growth will be delayed since Tulsa beat them to it.  Same with 71st and Broken Arrow.  It has taken nearly 10 years, but Broken Arrow is not getting some good retail.

Ok... but I see it a bit differently. I think the 71st center actually proved that development will work west of the river. Now developers and retailers are looking all along the south 75 corridoor for opportunity. Just ask McGraw or Frisbee.

as long as they don't try to push heavy retail up against residential neighborhoods out there, more power to them.

[TheArtist]

Looks to me like the nighborhoods are going to start filling in around the retail there. I can imagine there will be some decent apartment complexes in that area as well. Often on hwy 75 going into Dallas you have the retail right on the corridor, behind that businesses and or apartments, then single home residential behind those. Memorial should follow that pattern as well. Retail, offices/apartments, homes. Who is in charge of zoning around this town anyway? lol

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Memorial should follow that pattern as well. Retail, offices/apartments, homes. Who is in charge of zoning around this town anyway? lol

actually, for large portions of memorial that is the case.  but I think a large problem is looking north south for examples when we need to look east/west for examples.  Look at examples like Chimney Hills, not examples like 71st/memorial.  hell, even the examples of development at 71st/memorial are better than this attempt to slap major retail right up against single family residential.

[Kashmir]

I guess I am a bad person because I am looking forward to cutting through that neighborhood from my (smaller, less expensive)neighborhood to get to Super Target.

But I wouldn't want the bright lots of Target shining in my backyard.  That would really suck if you lived in the villas, but I always supposed something was going to go in that big chunk of land.

Did Burning Tree try to fight the Walmart?