101st and Memorial

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


200 of those crimes were at the Target address itself.  Try again.

That statistic is actually useful. Got any breakdown on what they were?

mostly theft.  who cares what they are, crime is crime.  Crime that wasn't there before.

Yes, but some kid sticking Christina Aguillera down his pants isn't a real concern, other than for his/her lacking musical appreciation.

[swake]

This neighborhood association really is over the top. They want the developer to pay to make their subdivision gated? WTH?

I feel not sorry at all for people that back up to the lot where Target is going in. They got a discount on their house because of it. Several times when we were looking at houses I would see a house with a great price advertised and when you got there it backed up to a commercially zoned field. I didn't buy those houses. This is a clear case of caveat emptor for those homeowners.

Target is a big improvement over the car lots that they didn't fight. Have the developer put in a good privacy wall and direct the lights away from the subdivision and be done. The developer has a right to develop his land and this development conforms to the expected land use for this lot. It is in fact a better use than most of what is around it.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


mostly theft.  who cares what they are, crime is crime.  Crime that wasn't there before.

That's got to be one of the stupider things I've seen you say on this forum, and I've been lurking for quite some time.

Shoplifting is really as much of a problem as sexual assaults, burglary, and whatever other crime is already going on in your neighborhood. (I haven't looked this year)

Somehow I expect that the sales tax brought in by a Target will more than pay for the police response to any minor crime that crops up. I seriously doubt that your neighborhood is doing the same. Not that I have a problem with that. A Target (super or otherwise) will bring in lots of sales tax that might otherwise go out of town, or congest the already far more congested than Memorial between 91st and 101st area around the Target on 71st.

Oh, and perhaps you should tell your neighbor who has the signs that "Supercenter" is a Wal-Mart. They probably wouldn't like the appropriation of their trademark to oppose a Target.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Kashmir

We drove by Ridge Pointe on our way home last night and saw a fire truck going in...My husband said "Homes are being torched in protest!"   LOL

no, that was my next door neighbor dying.

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

no, that was my next door neighbor dying.

That's a shame.   Guess they won't be protesting Target anymore eh?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub

quote:Originally posted by inteller

no, that was my next door neighbor dying.

That's a shame.   Guess they won't be protesting Target anymore eh?

i'll be sure and let them know of your completely insensitive comment.  

All of you "progress at any cost" ****ers can sit there and take your smug high road.  Don't expect any of us to come to your defense when your property rights are run over in the future.

[TeeDub]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


i'll be sure and let them know of your completely insensitive comment.  

All of you "progress at any cost" ****ers can sit there and take your smug high road.  Don't expect any of us to come to your defense when your property rights are run over in the future.

I love how people move into houses which back up onto a beautiful empty field...   And then ***** when someone wants to build something on it.

I have an idea for you...  Why doesn't your home owner's association offer the landowner to BUY the field?   I bet that if you top Target's offer, he will sell it to you.  Until then, your protesting the Target is doing nothing but depriving the landowner of HIS property rights.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by TeeDub

quote:Originally posted by inteller


i'll be sure and let them know of your completely insensitive comment.  

All of you "progress at any cost" ****ers can sit there and take your smug high road.  Don't expect any of us to come to your defense when your property rights are run over in the future.

I love how people move into houses which back up onto a beautiful empty field...   And then ***** when someone wants to build something on it.

I have an idea for you...  Why doesn't your home owner's association offer the landowner to BUY the field?   I bet that if you top Target's offer, he will sell it to you.  Until then, your protesting the Target is doing nothing but depriving the landowner of HIS property rights.

save your ideas and just stick to making insensitive comments about dead elderly people.  It allows you to show your true form.

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller


200 of those crimes were at the Target address itself.  Try again.

That statistic is actually useful. Got any breakdown on what they were?

mostly theft.  who cares what they are, crime is crime.  Crime that wasn't there before.

like the other person said..probably THE STUPIDEST comment I have ever read on these forums.  Somehow I don't see the correlation between someone walking out of the store with let's say a dvd and someone because sexually assaulted or carjacked at knife/gun point.  I can tell you of the 200 times the cops were called to that target, 4 of them were for stolen cars from Hertz that the people who stole them just happened to be meeting people in the parking lot.  No crime was actually committed but rather a meeting place for them.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


save your ideas and just stick to making insensitive comments about dead elderly people.  It allows you to show your true form.

So you don't think that you ought to buy property whose development you'd like to control?

I know a fellow who was having a problem of that nature in Fayetteville (only with the city wanting to build a park in their backyard in the middle of their very quiet neighborhood with very narrow streets). He and his neighbor put their money where their mouth was and bought the land. I'm not going to bother counting them, but I bet there's somewhere over a thousand houses in your subdivision. I'm sure you can come up with the cash.

Sorta like one of our neighbors when I was growing up who bought three lots in the subdivision so that houses didn't get built on the others.

[sauerkraut]

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

[TUalum0982]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

My thoughts exactly.  I have never heard the words "good jobs and Wal Mart" in the same sentence until now.  From what I have read they offer subpar benefits and don't treat their employees very well.  Not to mention there are two supercenters (3 miles north and 1 mile south) of the location you are referring to and a neighborhood market 3 miles away at 81st and Sheridan.  I personally think thats plenty of walmart's for those people.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by TUalum0982

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

My thoughts exactly.  I have never heard the words "good jobs and Wal Mart" in the same sentence until now.  From what I have read they offer subpar benefits and don't treat their employees very well.  Not to mention there are two supercenters (3 miles north and 1 mile south) of the location you are referring to and a neighborhood market 3 miles away at 81st and Sheridan.  I personally think thats plenty of walmart's for those people.

+1

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

Gang, color me a bit old fashioned, but I'd like to see a good old fashioned Wal-Mart go up there. Tulsa already has a Target store at 71st and 169. The Wal-Marts always seem busy and people who live in that are would like a good place to shop without having to drive all the way to Lewis & 81st or where ever the next closest Wal-Mart store is. They also provide good jobs. I also would like them to make a parking area somewhere around there for people who want to use that Creek Jogging trail. I can never find a place to park so I wind up jogging on the RiverSide trail.

The "closest" Wal-Mart is a brand new Supercenter less than a mile away on the other side of the exact same street at 111th and Memorial.

Good jobs?

OK I did not know that. I thought the Wal-Mart store on Memorial street closed up. That's great then. I did not know of a store on 111st. I seldom go that far south in Tulsa.[}:)]