Downtown Stadium Plan by May 30th

[brunoflipper]

here, fixed it...




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[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

here, fixed it...




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If you're gonna do that, take out all the streets under construction.

[cannon_fodder]

and put in the broken fountain.

IF someone was feeling non-productive, they could add surface parking in gray, and ramps in black (or whatever).

[brunoflipper]

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[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

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Definitely getting better.  

LOL @ Churchy Town!

[dsjeffries]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

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Definitely getting better.  

LOL @ Churchy Town!

Hahaha. [] My next project actually WAS to identify all the surface parking with the help of the Terrain function of Google Maps.  It's going to take a lot longer than this first map...

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

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Can you add Lunch Lane?  It's right smack dab in the middle of Abandonburg.

[dayzella]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

and put in the broken fountain.

IF someone was feeling non-productive, they could add surface parking in gray, and ramps in black (or whatever).

Please fill in the newbie - what/where is the broken fountain?  How is it broken?

[Renaissance]

It's in the middle of the intersection at 5th and Main, and drunk Owasso girls kept crashing into it after leaving the bars at night and getting lost, until they took measures to increase the fountain's visibility.

[RecycleMichael]

Now I am all for drunk women coming into the big city and all.

But we got to get them to stop driving into our fountains.

[dayzella]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

It's in the middle of the intersection at 5th and Main, and drunk Owasso girls kept crashing into it after leaving the bars at night and getting lost, until they took measures to increase the fountain's visibility.

Aha.  Y'all are sure it is broken?  It was on yesterday.  Very pretty - the water burbling + the snow falling.

Unless the broken part is that it won't shut off?

[Renaissance]

I think when the drunkies ran into it the poured concrete was cracked--hence the "broken fountain."  But I'm pretty sure they patched it up just fine.

[restored2x]

Kinda like the Liberty Bell for Tulsa. Cracked, but historic.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

Cracked, but historic.

Holy crap...that's so much better than "comfortably cosmopolitan"

[USRufnex]

Maps are nice things, but don't tell the whole story.  There are blocks of nothing in the east end and Blue Dome areas... there are entire blocks of businesses that will be dormant after 5pm-- well, except for the Greyhound bus station and the adult book store, those will be open.  [}:)]  Will baseball fans (and their families) walk to or from El Guapo's and McNellie's before or after the ballgame and would the Drillers even want that, since a big part of the Drillers' profits seem to be tied up in concessions (not gate receipts)?  Where will new businesses(?) be leased/developed if the ballpark succeeds?  Will there be "mixed-use"?  Will there be "walkable urbanity?"  Is there going to be any TIF in place here?... or is this just going to be a "tax it, build it" project???

How would this compare to the last proposal by Kissler/Adwon/Global Development? or the WalMart proposal? or the proposal that a certain "admin" from Tulsa Now openly criticized back in late 2005...?  

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2680&SearchTerms=Downtown+soccer+stadium?

quote:Out of state developers are working hard to place a 'Major-League Soccer' ('MLS') stadium in Downtown Tulsa's East Village, the 115-acre, Downtown tract within 7th St., I244, Detroit and Highway 75. The developer also plans a 40-acre development of homes and stores nearby. Bring on the homes and stores, says TulsaNow, a grass-roots, citizens' group. But locate the soccer stadium in North Tulsa as part of a regional development strategy.

The Downtown project is supported by Mayor LaFortune. Public funds are likely to be required to leverage it. A close associate of the Mayor is representing the developer, Global Development Partners, and would presumably stand to make a tidy profit if the project went through. 'Star Bonds' – a sales-tax-driven device that does not require a popular vote on the matter – are apparently also under consideration.

So, where are the "homes and stores" in this new proposal?  Where's the "40-acre development"?  Where's the "Tulsa Landing" or "East End" style plans that use the ballpark as an "anchor"?

Jenks has these plans... downtown (so far) has pipedreams of a type of magic ballpark that will ATTRACT development.  Victory Field in Indy was a nice addition in the 90s... but it hardly served as a catalyst.  OKC's Bricktown was already popular BEFORE the ballpark was built, and there were areas right next door to the ballpark that benifitted... there were places for other restaurants, etc. to locate...

The best argument for a ballpark is that it will get a reasonable number of people to come downtown who wouldn't normally go there.  But when they go there, what will they find?  And  will that justify $70mil in new taxes?

4 months is NOT a long time...