Energy Companies, Change and Politics

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Hmm, only big business demonizing I ever hear out of Republicans might be "corporate welfare" to AA, Spirit, or some such other company.

I'm not really aware of anyone who totally demonizes the larger employers in the city (okay- with the exception of the city gov't, county gov't and ORU [])

What are some examples you are thinking of, Swake?

Oh, BTW- anytime I see Jim Mulva's name my mind is always directed back to that Seinfeld episode:

"Ohhhhh, Delores!!!"

[}:)]

BOk getting an "inside deal" on 2025 bonds, F&M getting an "inside deal", F&M building a bank at 71st and Lewis, The Tulsa World is the center of all evil, Manhattan and Flinto secretly being behind all votes to  build anything, Williams is behind everything, downtown landowners enriching themselves, American Airlines evil for taking handouts, Quik Trip being dirty getting the mayor to level the Camelot for them, all developers are evil (this is only mostly true), St Francis and the Warren Foundation blasted for the Channels, Bok and Kaiser for the river vote...

Do I really need to go on?

Swake, that's city politics and cynicism in a nutshell.  Complaints are heard on all sides and from all political stripes.

I don't think you can draw a direct line from the Tulsa GOP party to any of those comments.  They certainly are not official party stances any more than they are out of the local Democrat party.

That's TULSA city politics in a nutshell, not everywhere. And I agree it is NOT part of the local republican party stance, but these view are very common among prominent Republicans and Democrats.

There is a strong populist streak in Tulsa in both parties. Politicians and others on both sides pander to and inflame that populist streak for political gain and that has created a great deal of mistrust of and cynicism for all city institutions here, both public and private

Roscoe and a northside Grocery Store, Henderson and the chief, KFAQ and 2025, Medlock and the failed north Tulsa county annexation are all good examples of this.

The cynicism that has been created is what is stopping this city from being able to accomplish much of anything lately. And when doing anything in the city is a bloody fight developers and companies move outside the city. Look at the stupid fights over a Target on Memorial and residential infill in Midtown. It's why any vote for any form of tax for a baseball stadium is going to fail. It's very sad.

[Conan71]

Okay, I was still stuck on:

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Local republicans certainly like to demonize local big business.

Thanks for clearing it up that there are equal-opportunity DB's in both parties.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Okay, I was still stuck on:

quote:
Local republicans certainly like to demonize local big business.

Thanks for clearing it up that there are equal-opportunity DB's in both parties.

Douchbaggery is alive and well in Tulsa, it's a fact.

[Double A]

quote: Populists are often the real anti-business crowd and they can be of either party depending on how they view social issues. Roscoe and Henderson are left wing populists, Medlock and Bates are the right wing version. But this is where they have common ground.

The same dynamic looks like it will torpedo the MAPS for Millionaires vote in OKC. No more free lunches for fascists.