Tulsa Now Arena Tour Photos

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


Who's next?  

Smokey Bear's mother??

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Come now, you know better than to attempt to tug on my heartstrings...

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Just a bear digging through the trash...nothing new to see here...keep moving.

He's just warming up for votes on a baseball stadium and streets.

Well, let's just connect some supposedly unconnected threads, shall we?

County Commissioner Randi "Randy" Miller and her co-conspirators give the boot to a 50+ year old, successful local ICON renting a small portion of the Tulsa County Fairgrounds.  

Good-bye Bell's.  

Thanks, for the happy memories.......Good-bye!

The Drillers then move downtown, if the taxpayers pony $70 million to replace the Fairgounds' perfectly adequate AA League Driller Stadium.  

Motto:  If it aint' broke, FIX IT anyway.  Cause, if you build it they will come:

Down-town.

Won't they?

Nah, it's not really that scary walking Downtown to your car after a Driller's baseball game, a scant five blocks or so after 10 p.m.  

Not scary at all....

You SCARED of the Boogy-Man?

Commissioner Randy Miller and her co-conspirators then level the perfectly adequate old Driller Stadium, AND the horse racing track.

Murphy Brothers then is surprisingly selected to build a State-of-the-Art Amusement Park on the recently leveled former location of the Driller Stadium and the Horse Racing Track.

They name their NEW Amusement Park:  

Belle's.

And, just coincidently, Mr. Murphy's wife (Belle?) continues to be Commissioner Randi "Poolboy-Toy" Miller's largest campaign contributor.

Attention Mr. Buchert:  

She's finally getting a divorce...  

Leave it to the Tulsa World to gently break it to your wife, again?  Like her outing during the last Mayoral campaign?  

Remember?

Wasn't that soooooo sweet of the Lorton's World?

As usual, the Flint and Rooney Oligarch families share in the construction projects, without competitive bidding, as per SOP?

Matrix Architects and Engineers get the sole-sourced work to design, as per SOP?

F&M and BOK split the bond underwriting proceeds, again, without competitive bidding, as per SOP?

How's that for predicting the future?

Oh, did I mention Kaiser River Tax II prosposal coming in 2010??  Brought to us by Benham Group and Kaiser's BOK?

It'll be only a measley $0.40 cents for 22 years......

And, it's a TEMPORARY tax, you know.

But... It's FOR THE CHILDREN.

Just picture the OUR RIVER TAX II commercials.......happy smiling children, playing in the quicksand-ridden, amoebic dystentery-laced, germ-laden, Arkansas River water.

Welcome to the Banana Republic of Tulsa!

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[Renaissance]

[cannon_fodder]

FB when anything moves forward in Tulsa:

[TheArtist]

Somebody is in their own straaaange little world. Did anyone actually understand ANY of that? lol

[PonderInc]

Having gone on the tour, all I can say is that I have never been more excited about the arena.  I can't wait to be seated in a packed crowd, actually getting to see the big acts/events that have been skipping right past Tulsa in recent years.  

The arena is amazing, and you can't really grasp it until you get inside.  The design alone will give us a ton of free publicity, and I belive people will come to Tulsa just to attend events in the arena BECAUSE of the Cesar Pelli design.  It's going to be stunning and original.  (And waaay more leg room than OKC...which is a selling point to me!)

Can't wait!  Bring it on!

[cannon_fodder]

As an update, the chiller unit for the ice was delivered and set on Tuesday and they worked on installation all day yesterday.  So if we wanted to... technically, we could probably have ice inside the arena (as well as out) this weekend.

TulsaNow skate party?  [}:)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

As an update, the chiller unit for the ice was delivered and set on Tuesday and they worked on installation all day yesterday.  So if we wanted to... technically, we could probably have ice inside the arena (as well as out) this weekend.

TulsaNow skate party?  [}:)]

Lordy, lordy, just IMAGINE the annual electric bill for the Arena.....

Keeping a gigantic block of ice freezing cold 24 x 7 x 365.

AEP is laughing all the way to the bank......

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Having gone on the tour, all I can say is that I have never been more excited about the arena.  I can't wait to be seated in a packed crowd, actually getting to see the big acts/events that have been skipping right past Tulsa in recent years.  

The arena is amazing, and you can't really grasp it until you get inside.  The design alone will give us a ton of free publicity, and I belive people will come to Tulsa just to attend events in the arena BECAUSE of the Cesar Pelli design.  It's going to be stunning and original.  (And waaay more leg room than OKC...which is a selling point to me!)

Can't wait!  Bring it on!

Mayor Chatty Kathy Taylor is leading the TulsaNow EchoChamber Choir and Circus Dog Troupe:

I'm so excited.

I just can't hide it.

I'm about to lose control, and I think I LIKE it.

Lyrics courtesy of the Pointer Systers.

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[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Lordy, lordy, just IMAGINE the annual electric bill for the Arena.....

Keeping a gigantic block of ice freezing cold 24 x 7 x 365.

AEP is laughing all the way to the bank......

1) How many times are you going to say that?

2) We already do that on 2 other ice venues in Tulsa that I know of.  The ice rink near 71st and the convention center.  Did you whine about those

3) We will be removing the ice at the convention center when the BOk center opens, so numerically it is a wash.

4) The ice at the BOk center has a newer refrigeration system and a newer blend of concrete.  It will be much more efficient than the aging system it replaces.  It should use about 40% less energy than the older models with a cost payback time of 8 years or less according to this study:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/infosource/pub/ici/caddet/english/r339.cfm?attr=20
(Study not exactly on point as it is retrofitting older rinks, but the concepts are the same and the Canadians should know!)

So look at it as a damn good investment.

5) The ice is not an added expense in the summer because we are paying to cool the building anyway.  The ice adds to that cause so it's cost is a non-issue during those periods (bar minor efficiency issues of course).

6) Here is the City of Tulsa energy plan:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Environment/Energy/documents/CityofTulsaEnergyConservationandEfficiencyPlan.pdf

Educate yourself before making a fool of yourself again.  Page 18 has the estimates for the BOk Center.  If you want to complain, do so about the AC bill, not the ice.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Lordy, lordy, just IMAGINE the annual electric bill for the Arena.....

Keeping a gigantic block of ice freezing cold 24 x 7 x 365.

AEP is laughing all the way to the bank......

1) How many times are you going to say that?

2) We already do that on 2 other ice venues in Tulsa that I know of.  The ice rink near 71st and the convention center.  Did you whine about those

3) We will be removing the ice at the convention center when the BOk center opens, so numerically it is a wash.

4) The ice at the BOk center has a newer refrigeration system and a newer blend of concrete.  It will be much more efficient than the aging system it replaces.  It should use about 40% less energy than the older models with a cost payback time of 8 years or less according to this study:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/infosource/pub/ici/caddet/english/r339.cfm?attr=20
(Study not exactly on point as it is retrofitting older rinks, but the concepts are the same and the Canadians should know!)

So look at it as a damn good investment.

5) The ice is not an added expense in the summer because we are paying to cool the building anyway.  The ice adds to that cause so it's cost is a non-issue during those periods (bar minor efficiency issues of course).

6) Here is the City of Tulsa energy plan:
http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Environment/Energy/documents/CityofTulsaEnergyConservationandEfficiencyPlan.pdf

Educate yourself before making a fool of yourself again.  Page 18 has the estimates for the BOk Center.  If you want to complain, do so about the AC bill, not the ice.

Apple Crates and Orange Cases here again.

Isn't the 71st street ice venue PRIVATE; not public. I certainly hope the City of Tulsa is not paying for those utilities cost!

I think it is simply a fantastic idea to pay to HEAT the building from October 'til April while we simultaneously pay to COOL an gigantic slab of ice.  Who thought of that brilliant idea. AEP?

Didn't AEP contribute to pass the Vision 2025 tax?  $50K?  

What a phenomenal return on their investment!!!

Brilliant!

In the summer, trying to help cool a building the size of the BOK arena by refrigerating a giant ice cube is dumber than dumb.  Uh, just cool the building DIRECTLY.  

Helloooooo?

I do see where the City of Tulsa's energy costs, including Fuel, accelerated 46.2% in the past five years.  

Ouch!

Wonder if it's time to end the ruinously expensive Tulsa Police Department Car Take-Home policy?  800 cars for 800 policemen commuting home and to moonlighting jobs, to Broken Arrow, Owasso, Jenks, Bixby, Sapulpa, Sand Springs, Skiatook, Collinsville, etc., etc., etc.

Does that make those incorporated suburbs SAFER?

Ever HEARD to an off-duty Tulsa Policeman responding to a resident knocking on their door asking for help in those suburban cities?  

The TPD freeloader would probably tell their citizen to:

1) Call 911, and/or
2) Quit Bothering Them.

No, it just makes the numb Tulsa taxpayers POORER.

Bottom Line:  The BOK Arena will be a giant, sucking money pit in the city's stagnant operating budget.  

Something's got to give, and it won't be Mayor Chatty Kathy's new luxury digs at the Borg Cube.

When the interest-only debt service on that royally bad Real estate deal ends, and the annual principal repayment kicks in, it will open up another yarning hole in the city operating budget.  Our Deferred Pain for Mayor Chatty Kathys new luxury digs.

But by then, Mayor Chatty Kathy hopes to be in the U.S. Congress, leaving her mess for us to pay for the next 30 years.

That will hurt.

Ouch!

[cannon_fodder]

If the ice at 71st is private I stand corrected.

However, you were whining like a little girl about the ice costing too much money.  You failed to address the fact that the NEW ice is replacing OLD ice.  Since the new system will be way more efficient the constructed of a giant slab of ice to replace the existing giant slab of ice will actually save the tax payers money.

So unless you are suggesting Tulsa build a venue without the ability to host ice events, your point is entirely off base.

If you wish to discuss other ancillary matters in a different thread, fine.  But your concern about the ice in the BOk center in this thread has been well and truely debunked.  Crawl back into your cave.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

If the ice at 71st is private I stand corrected.

However, you were whining like a little girl about the ice costing too much money.  You failed to address the fact that the NEW ice is replacing OLD ice.  Since the new system will be way more efficient the constructed of a giant slab of ice to replace the existing giant slab of ice will actually save the tax payers money.

So unless you are suggesting Tulsa build a venue without the ability to host ice events, your point is entirely off base.

If you wish to discuss other ancillary matters in a different thread, fine.  But your concern about the ice in the BOk center in this thread has been well and truely debunked.  Crawl back into your cave.

Efficient?

It would be more efficient to leave the Ice Oilers in the Convention Center. Even the Convention Center is a large "house" for their relatively modest attendance.

The Ice Oiler games held in the BOK Arena will make the players look positively Lilliputian.  Is that the puck, or do I have a speck of dust in my eye?

Economical?

In the long run, it would be more economical for the citizens of Tulsa to STOP construction on the BOK Arena TODAY, and dynamite it at first light.  

That would save the taxpayers the largest amount of operating costs, saving $100,000,000's over the useful life of the Arena, say maximum 30 years.  

Of course, if Oklahoma City is any guide, their politicians want the taxpayers to spend $110 million remodeling a FIVE YEAR old Ford Arena that cost only $80 million to build FIVE YEARS AGO.

Don't you just know that our local ruling power establishment will pull the same shenanigans in five short years if OKC gets by with their brazen thievery of the public purse?

Yearly operating costs of our money-pit BOK Arena will dwarf the revenue generation side of the "economics" of a publicly funded Arena.

Just pay off the Rooney and Flint Oligarch familias for NOT finishing the arena.  They will still go to the bank very happy.  

As always.....their disposable local Politicians come and go; the local controlling Oligarch Familias have been around with their hands in the taxpayers pockets for 100 years.

Just knock the thing down, and save us atleast another $100,000,000.  

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[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Just knock the thing down, and save us atleast another $100,000,000.  

Better yet, can I give you two "huney" pots and have you skip town? With a silly old Pooh-Bear like you, it's no wonder Tulsa became such a lame city.

[cannon_fodder]

FB:

You complained about the cost of the ice.  I explained in several different ways that the new ice actually save Tulsa money in the long run.  I did not argue any other points as you keep expanding the scope of your whining.

FB - the new ice will cost a fortune!

Reality - the new ice will be less expensive than the current set up.

FB - blah blah blah blah blah.  Tulsa sucks. Blah blah blah.