Corrupt Tulsa Police officer

[TurismoDreamin]

http://www.humbleperformance.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=27949

Scroll towards bottom to see pictures of the tag and scuff mark.

[Wilbur]

A few holes in that story.  The most blatant is, this person said they cited "Title 39 Section C" to the officer in reference to running a red light.

Title 39 of Tulsa's Revised Ordinances deal with Trusts:

http://cityoftulsa.org/OurCity/Ordinances/Title39.asp

Title 39 has nothing to do with traffic violations.  And Tulsa has no 'Section C' of any Title.  All sections are numbered.  Some subsections use letters and/or numbers.

Lets believe someone who won't file a complaint simply because he/she can't do so on-line and probably plead guilty to the ticket!

And even IF everything this person said was true, 'corrupt' is hardly the correct term.  Rude sounds more appropriate.

[MH2010]

You can file a complaint online....

http://www.tulsapolice.org/oic.html

[sgrizzle]

I see no tag picture but a lit of things are violations of tag display policy.

I'm not a cop because I'd make all hotheads sit in the back of my car for a few hours. Name on situation where you have a green arrow one way and solid green "on the side."

I've been pulled over once or twice (cough) and dealt with the occasional cop in a bad mood but 9 times out of 10, it seems like the other person is a complete tool to the cop first.

[patric]

Bringing the gun into the picture may have been an unnecessary escalation.

One more vote for Dashcams, please.

[cannon_fodder]

If the kid's story is right then I agree with him. The cop was overbearing and wrong.  If he kicked the kids car and pulled a gun on the girl then it should be reviewed by a disciplinary committee.

It seems the kid lost his cool.  Calling his dad and citing laws to the cop?  That will get you no where in a hurry.  

And I'm torn between the kids story and what the cop would surely say.   I inherently want to believe the officer, but also know they have bad days and a few are just bad cops.

+1 for dash cams I guess.

[MH2010]

Dashcams would be great. Most officers have been wanting them for years. However, the city has stated that they do not have the money for dashcams or dashcam maintenance.

The city would probably have to raise taxes for them if they can not get the federal government to pony up the money in the form of a grant.

[TurismoDreamin]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

A few holes in that story.  The most blatant is, this person said they cited "Title 39 Section C" to the officer in reference to running a red light.

Title 39 of Tulsa's Revised Ordinances deal with Trusts:

http://cityoftulsa.org/OurCity/Ordinances/Title39.asp

Title 39 has nothing to do with traffic violations.  And Tulsa has no 'Section C' of any Title.  All sections are numbered.  Some subsections use letters and/or numbers.

Lets believe someone who won't file a complaint simply because he/she can't do so on-line and probably plead guilty to the ticket!

And even IF everything this person said was true, 'corrupt' is hardly the correct term.  Rude sounds more appropriate.

I pointed out the error to him and he said he was in a hurry when he typed that and made reference to the correct ordinance on page 4 of that thread.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

Dashcams would be great. Most officers have been wanting them for years. However, the city has stated that they do not have the money for dashcams or dashcam maintenance.

Maybe if they bumped their priority up over new "rumble" sirens or LIDAR.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

Dashcams would be great. Most officers have been wanting them for years. However, the city has stated that they do not have the money for dashcams or dashcam maintenance.

The city would probably have to raise taxes for them if they can not get the federal government to pony up the money in the form of a grant.

Why were the dash cams they bought after Gus Spanos was killed so damned expensive?  Does it have to do with being able to withstand vibration?  I'd think newer digital cams would be less expensive and stand up to more abuse.

I think they are a good tool in protecting the officer and the citizen.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

If the kid's story is right then I agree with him. The cop was overbearing and wrong.  If he kicked the kids car and pulled a gun on the girl then it should be reviewed by a disciplinary committee.

It seems the kid lost his cool.  Calling his dad and citing laws to the cop?  That will get you no where in a hurry.  

And I'm torn between the kids story and what the cop would surely say.   I inherently want to believe the officer, but also know they have bad days and a few are just bad cops.

+1 for dash cams I guess.

Probably best I'm not a cop.  I can't honestly say that driver wouldn't be spitting a few teeth out if he got out of the car and started reading the law to me.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

Dashcams would be great. Most officers have been wanting them for years. However, the city has stated that they do not have the money for dashcams or dashcam maintenance.

The city would probably have to raise taxes for them if they can not get the federal government to pony up the money in the form of a grant.

Why were the dash cams they bought after Gus Spanos was killed so damned expensive?  Does it have to do with being able to withstand vibration?  I'd think newer digital cams would be less expensive and stand up to more abuse.

I think they are a good tool in protecting the officer and the citizen.

Current systems are running between $5000 and $7000.  The department is trying to make this a priority, but at a cost of $2.7M.  Cost a lot of money to equip 600 cars plus maintenance.

[cannon_fodder]

I would think a digital camera for $300 from Newegg could do as good of a job as anything we see on Cops, add a $50 remote mic for sound and you're in business. Upload it at the end of every shift. Cheap, simple, and generally effective for 95% of the normal problems.  

If you're worried about potential tampering add a $200 Palm Pilot with a flash card and duplicate the data in the trunk.  Should both the camera Hard Drive and the Palm flash both go bad, the burden would be on the police for what accusation there is.

Hell, use a lower end HD cam for $1200.  Add a remote mic for the cop for $150.  The palm and flash card for another $300.  Whatever mounting gear and axillary power hookups you want for another $350.  

I'd seriously struggle to spend $7,000 on something that would be useful.  For $7,000 you can get a movie quality HD Canon XL-H1 with all the goodies.   Why would the police need 20x zoom, digital stereo etc. etc. etc.
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Am I mistaken or did I read that the extra cost is for wireless data uplink?  Seems like an excess when the system is more of a necessity.

[MH2010]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


I would think a digital camera for $300 from Newegg could do as good of a job as anything we see on Cops, add a $50 remote mic for sound and you're in business. Upload it at the end of every shift. Cheap, simple, and generally effective for 95% of the normal problems.  

If you're worried about potential tampering add a $200 Palm Pilot with a flash card and duplicate the data in the trunk.  Should both the camera Hard Drive and the Palm flash both go bad, the burden would be on the police for what accusation there is.

Hell, use a lower end HD cam for $1200.  Add a remote mic for the cop for $150.  The palm and flash card for another $300.  Whatever mounting gear and axillary power hookups you want for another $350.  

I'd seriously struggle to spend $7,000 on something that would be useful.  For $7,000 you can get a movie quality HD Canon XL-H1 with all the goodies.   Why would the police need 20x zoom, digital stereo etc. etc. etc.
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Am I mistaken or did I read that the extra cost is for wireless data uplink?  Seems like an excess when the system is more of a necessity.

We thought the same thing but the IT experts told us we were wrong.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder


I would think a digital camera for $300 from Newegg could do as good of a job as anything we see on Cops, add a $50 remote mic for sound and you're in business. Upload it at the end of every shift. Cheap, simple, and generally effective for 95% of the normal problems.  

If you're worried about potential tampering add a $200 Palm Pilot with a flash card and duplicate the data in the trunk.  Should both the camera Hard Drive and the Palm flash both go bad, the burden would be on the police for what accusation there is.

Hell, use a lower end HD cam for $1200.  Add a remote mic for the cop for $150.  The palm and flash card for another $300.  Whatever mounting gear and axillary power hookups you want for another $350.  

I'd seriously struggle to spend $7,000 on something that would be useful.  For $7,000 you can get a movie quality HD Canon XL-H1 with all the goodies.   Why would the police need 20x zoom, digital stereo etc. etc. etc.
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Am I mistaken or did I read that the extra cost is for wireless data uplink?  Seems like an excess when the system is more of a necessity.

My $250 camera does hd video.