Name calling campaign to undermine Obama

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Hillary Rodham Clinton's middle name reminds me of a cross-dressing basketball player named Dennis Rodman.

Please tell me she was never married to Carman Electra.

Rodham was her maiden name.
Her middle name is Diane.

[Hometown]

It looks to me like the media's love affair with Barack is coming to an end.  They didn't like when he wouldn't answer their questions about the Canadian Memo and the Questionable Donations.  You could smell blood in the water as Obama ducked the questions and took off.

You know when you are in that first blush of love you don't want to hear anything bad about the object of your affection.  But infatuation comes to an end and then reality sets in.

Reality in this case is that Barack Obama is largely unknown to the party that he hopes to represent.  It's easy to love someone you don't know anything about.  His followers have projected what they want to see onto him.

But then the details start trickling in and reality begins to take over.

Maybe we'll find out that Barack is as good as his speeches, maybe we won't.  But for everyone that is still infatuated with Obama, I say it's better to find out now what this guy is made of.

So, answer some tough questions Mr. Obama, then take some punches and give some, so we'll know you can fight.

I for one am more convinced than ever that Ms. Clinton is the most vetted and most able to carry us forward.  She has, once again, proven to us that she is a fighter.  While, on the other hand, Mr. Obama has been making blunders (brushed off by his lovers) like last week when he declared himself the certain winner of the primaries.

It looks to me like Obama is flying by the seat of his pants and learning on the go.

I believe in loyalty and known quantities and rewarding good service and finally, winning.  That's why I'm more convinced than ever that Ms. Clinton is our gal.  I'm also now convinced that we need them both on the ticket to unite the party.

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by grahambino

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Hillary Rodham Clinton's middle name reminds me of a cross-dressing basketball player named Dennis Rodman.

Please tell me she was never married to Carman Electra.

Rodham was her maiden name.
Her middle name is Diane.

Did her mother give her the middle name Diane after Princess Diana?  Oh. . . Wait! Princess Diana was not born yet.  

. . . and Sir Edmond Hillary had not climbed Everest, nor was he a "Sir".

Her mom must have been clairvoyant!  

Amazing!

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

What is it with you Democrats who don't realize your own party has it's own "Swift-boaters"?

The Clinton's are masters of character assassination, it simply pisses you off when it goes the other way.

Politics is a dirty business, quit assuming your own party has clean hands.

Anyone remember the forged National Guard letter Dan Rather eventually had to apologize for?  Perfect example of "Swift-Boating".  Give me a ****ing break.  

Here's the Democratic critique in a nutshell, for what it's worth:  Republicans have an exceptionally effective media machine.  Democrats have a completely useless media machine.  Republicans don't seem to have a single scruple left about how to deploy this amazing machine.  Democrats simply cannot coordinate and move forward together to save their lives, and wish they had something to sacrifice their scruples for.  Republicans present an amazingly seamless front in congress, even for a minority party.  Democratic congressional leadership fails us at every turn.  Politics is indeed dirty, but there is a quantitative difference between the parties.  The Republicans have been more successful at politics in the last 8 years; hence their hands are dirtier.  Democrats have been too incompetent to even get near the dirtpile.  

So no, it's hard to believe that the Democrats have Swift Boaters.  Or specifically, effective Swift Boaters that can get any play on Hardball at all.  (Rather's piece, for what it's worth, is more bad reporting than concerted smear effort) If we could equal what we perceive as the Republican Machine head on that would be a huge victory.

I don't see Hillary as a character assassin par excellence, either, and really am at a loss as to why you think that, either.  They've been uniformly unsuccessful at shaping the media narrative throughout this entire election season -- and for that matter, shaping the media narrative throughout Bill's presidency.  If she were such an omnipotent power player, why did she and Bill spend years passively getting pummeled for the relatively harmeless minutiae of their lives?

I guess what I'm saying is, you see Hillary as this Darth Vader uber-tyrant, but the fact that she's had only middling political success in her life really seems to undermine that.

We vs Us, I always enjoy your thoughtful posts.  You know, the media is simply afraid to oppose the Republicans.  They know there is a price to pay for opposing the Republicans.  Here's where Democrats need to take a lesson and learn to deliver some punishment to our opponents.

I will say that Ms. Clinton does seem to be prepared for the Swift Boat thing.  In fact she said she was in a recent speech.  I think she is ready to get as negative as needed to win the White House.  She doesn't have a lock step party fully briefed on talking points to back her up, but she has used surrogates to deliver some negative messages in the primary.  That tells me that unlike Bills' first term, when the Clintons return to the White House there won't be an awkward learning curve and she isn't going to get strong armed by the military.  And given that Ms. Clinton is a Scorpio (and the one that would have the secret service rough up protesters and have the IRS audit her enemies) there might actually be some punishment for the party that has brought us to the brink and diminished all the things we love about the American way of life.

[waterboy]

Hey, I'm a Scorpio. I resemble that! Three things stand out to me. Two of the three candidates for Prez are left handed, like me. One of them is a Scorpio, like me. That means my constituency of left handed Scorpios is sitting pretty well. And if you say Obama's first name real slow and low...it sounds like a finely aged belch. Got to mean extra votes here in OK.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Hey, I'm a Scorpio.

Yes, I remember that.  You must know what I mean.

[mdunn]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Hillary Rodham Clinton's middle name reminds me of a cross-dressing basketball player named Dennis Rodman.

Please tell me she was never married to Carman Electra.

yes they were once married and had little twins with multi colored afros.

[HazMatCFO]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by HazMatCFO

McCain can win if he points out the differences between the two candidates. I believe Americans are closer to McCain's middle of the road politics than they are Obama's left wing views.

McCain and GOP must keep the election about the issues, if so, I think he wins by a slim margin.

Obama's campaign would love nothing more than for Republicans to get sidetracked on the name issue or the muslim attacks. See how Hillary's campaign suffered after the Madrassa accusations, the drug use attacks and most recently sending out photos of Obama dressed in African tribal clothing.

McCaint....win.....

Recent polls I've read with McCain vs Clinton or vs Obama show him slightly ahead or slightly behind.

Polls may not equate exactly into electoral college votes, but it shows another close Presidential race until the end in my opinion.