Citgo, et al -> Sinclair

[sgrizzle]

I have noticed a lot of stations around town turning to the dino. Is this a buyout or did someone get a really good franchise deal?

[cannon_fodder]

Citgo is largely pulling out of Oklahoma.  It was announced along with the Citgo leaving town thing.  They claimed they were just scaling back their retail market, but honestly I can't see many franchinee's wanting to put up with the bad PR.

Too lazy to find the article.  Sorry.  [:I]

[unknown]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Citgo is largely pulling out of Oklahoma.  It was announced along with the Citgo leaving town thing.  They claimed they were just scaling back their retail market, but honestly I can't see many franchinee's wanting to put up with the bad PR.

Too lazy to find the article.  Sorry.  [:I]

You mean the Chavez crap?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/citgo.asp

[Conan71]

I know, my boycot of CITGO isn't causing Uncle Hugo to lose sleep, but in good conscience, I just can't spend money with a business essentially backed by an asshat tyrant.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I know, my boycot of CITGO isn't causing Uncle Hugo to lose sleep, but in good conscience, I just can't spend money with a business essentially backed by an asshat tyrant.

You really think Chavez is worse than most of the middle eastern oil kingdoms?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I know, my boycot of CITGO isn't causing Uncle Hugo to lose sleep, but in good conscience, I just can't spend money with a business essentially backed by an asshat tyrant.

You really think Chavez is worse than most of the middle eastern oil kingdoms?

Actually, yes.  Aside from the rogue in Iran, we are pretty much able to sit on the rest of that pack.  Chavez is an equal of Asshatdinijhad in Iran.

Something else to consider as well:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9129

Still don't think this guy is more dangerous?

[inteller]

the citgo boycott killed them. combine that with the hatred people have because they pulled HQ out of tulsa and you have a perfect storm.

As long as I am getting sinclair gas from the Tulsa refinery, they will be my new station of choice over QuikRip.

[we vs us]

Sinclair Purchases Fiesta Marts

Arkansas Valley Petroleum sold 10 of its Fiesta Mart convenience stores to the Sinclair Oil Corp., said Weister Smith, owner and chairman of the Tulsa-based petroleum distribution company.

Financial details of the transaction, completed in February, were not disclosed. Sinclair offered 120 Fiesta Mart employees continued employment with benefits.

Among the store sold to Sinclair was the Fiesta Mart auto/truck plaza on I-44 in Catoosa as well as three McDonald's co-branded sites in Oklahoma. Sinclair Oil will retain the "Fiesta Mart" name and Arkansas Valley Petroleum will continue to operate its remaining five stores, also under the "Fiesta Mart" name.

The conversion of the stores to the Sinclair brand should be completed by the second week in March, said Duff Thompson, president of Fiesta Mart.

The move was a perfect fit based on the corporate values shared by Sinclair and Arkansas Valley Petroleum, such as "integrity in the conduct of business" and the "value of the individual employee," Thompson said.

Smith plans to move toward retirement and this sale was the first phase of his succession plan, according to a release by AVP.

AVP has been a wholesale fuel distributor for 36 years and a Sinclair distributor for more than 15 years.

In 2007, Arkansas Valley Petroleum and its sister company, AVP Metro Petroleum, sold more than 100 million gallons of fuel between its wholesale customers and Fiesta Mart operations, with sales in excess of $250 million. In addition to operating the stores, AVP Metro supplies more than 100 independent retailers in Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas and Texas and hauls about 95 percent of its fuel sales through its AVP Metro Transportation and Bulk Plant facility in west Tulsa.

Salt Lake City-based Sinclair is a 90 year old, privately-owned company with a refinery in west Tulsa and two other facilities in Wyoming.

Last year Sinclair announced a $1 billion expansion. Work is expected to begin this summer and be completed by late 2010.

Sinclair markets fuel in 21 states and supplies fuel to more than 2,600 company and distributor operated stations.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71


Actually, yes.  Aside from the rogue in Iran, we are pretty much able to sit on the rest of that pack.  Chavez is an equal of Asshatdinijhad in Iran.

Still don't think this guy is more dangerous?

I think 9/11 proved we're not doing a very good job of sitting on them. Or perhaps our poor results in Iraq. (or Afghanistan, for that matter)

Chavez has a mouth, and that's about it. Of course, the wingnuts are just whipping up the same BS they were back in the 70s against any attempts of the South Americans to bring themselves into modernity.

Is he a good guy? No. Is he dangerous? Not really. If anything, he's less dangerous, what with not pushing religious fundamentalism on his country.

The world is not black and white.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

quote:Originally posted by Conan71


Actually, yes.  Aside from the rogue in Iran, we are pretty much able to sit on the rest of that pack.  Chavez is an equal of Asshatdinijhad in Iran.

Still don't think this guy is more dangerous?

I think 9/11 proved we're not doing a very good job of sitting on them. Or perhaps our poor results in Iraq. (or Afghanistan, for that matter)

Chavez has a mouth, and that's about it. Of course, the wingnuts are just whipping up the same BS they were back in the 70s against any attempts of the South Americans to bring themselves into modernity.

Is he a good guy? No. Is he dangerous? Not really. If anything, he's less dangerous, what with not pushing religious fundamentalism on his country.

The world is not black and white.

Do you not see a contradiction in your logic?  

9/11 happened because we don't have a tight enough rein and/or underestimated tyrant dictators, yes?

So now let's simply ignore the threat of an assclown who is about to ignite a war with his South American neighbors?  

Please clarify.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by we vs us

Sinclair Purchases Fiesta Marts

Arkansas Valley Petroleum sold 10 of its Fiesta Mart convenience stores to the Sinclair Oil Corp., said Weister Smith, owner and chairman of the Tulsa-based petroleum distribution company.

Financial details of the transaction, completed in February, were not disclosed. Sinclair offered 120 Fiesta Mart employees continued employment with benefits.

Among the store sold to Sinclair was the Fiesta Mart auto/truck plaza on I-44 in Catoosa as well as three McDonald's co-branded sites in Oklahoma. Sinclair Oil will retain the "Fiesta Mart" name and Arkansas Valley Petroleum will continue to operate its remaining five stores, also under the "Fiesta Mart" name.

The conversion of the stores to the Sinclair brand should be completed by the second week in March, said Duff Thompson, president of Fiesta Mart.

The move was a perfect fit based on the corporate values shared by Sinclair and Arkansas Valley Petroleum, such as "integrity in the conduct of business" and the "value of the individual employee," Thompson said.

Smith plans to move toward retirement and this sale was the first phase of his succession plan, according to a release by AVP.

AVP has been a wholesale fuel distributor for 36 years and a Sinclair distributor for more than 15 years.

In 2007, Arkansas Valley Petroleum and its sister company, AVP Metro Petroleum, sold more than 100 million gallons of fuel between its wholesale customers and Fiesta Mart operations, with sales in excess of $250 million. In addition to operating the stores, AVP Metro supplies more than 100 independent retailers in Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas and Texas and hauls about 95 percent of its fuel sales through its AVP Metro Transportation and Bulk Plant facility in west Tulsa.

Salt Lake City-based Sinclair is a 90 year old, privately-owned company with a refinery in west Tulsa and two other facilities in Wyoming.

Last year Sinclair announced a $1 billion expansion. Work is expected to begin this summer and be completed by late 2010.

Sinclair markets fuel in 21 states and supplies fuel to more than 2,600 company and distributor operated stations.

So if I am reading this correctly, AVP was already getting their fuel from the Tulsa Sinclair refinery?

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

So if I am reading this correctly, AVP was already getting their fuel from the Tulsa Sinclair refinery?

I didnt think we were supposed to be using locally refined gas, or gas from Coffeyville, etc.
Arent we supposed to be buying a "special blend" low RVP gas from the Gulf of Mexico to stay off the EPA's dirty air list?

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71


So now let's simply ignore the threat of an assclown who is about to ignite a war with his South American neighbors?  

Don't believe everything you read.

Even if what you say is true, why should I care if Venezuela and Columbia go to war with each other? It's no skin off our nose. Our constant interventionism can only serve to annoy others and give them more excuses to attack us.

Alternatively, who am I to say the Venezuelans don't have a good reason to attack the Columbians. I don't know what the Columbians are or are not doing.

We need to learn to keep our mind on our own business.

Besides, when I said "less dangerous," I mean "less dangerous to my country."

[sgrizzle]

I like dinosaurs.

[cannon_fodder]

Nathan, I take it you don't study much history.  You're exact argument ignited World War II.  I hate Nazi cliches as actual arguments but this just asks for it.

There were rules in place dictating what nations could do and everyone agree to abide by and enforce them.  Then Germany began ignoring them and rebuilding their army.  Both France and England had intelligence that told them they were doing so, but chose not to believe or really look into it (which begs asking: are you suggesting the Columbian military really isn't mobilized or that they really aren't helping the FARC in spite of everyone including all involved parties admitting to such?).  

Then Germany decided to take over the hinterlands and Austria.  It was there's anyway, so what if they weren't really supposed to do it.

Then they invaded Poland, but no skin off our back.  Who really cares if they go to war with Poland?

Meanwhile Japan invades Korea, China, IndoChina, and on and on an on.  Who cares.  Sure they were rattling sabers and talking about the need to attack America.  They had warning signs but we chose not to believe everything we read.  NO skin off our back if a few Asians kill each other off.

Hell, maybe they had good reason to attack.  We should just keep our mind on our own business.  It is what's less dangerous to my own company.  Stay out of it, keep our heads down.  That's thousands of miles away... nothing can happen to US.

That ended well.
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Also, as I hinted add above.  Clarify your position on the facts.  Are you burying your head in the sand or denying Chavez support of a listed Terrorist organization that rapes, bombs, kidnaps, has child soldiers, and whose primary function is to facilitate the drug trade?  Are you pretend Columbia killing a wanted Columbian murderer (420 Civilian murders) is a good reason for Venezuela to attack them?

There is a roll in the political world called the hegemon.  The dominant player on that political stage.  Throughout the ages when the hegimonal power is proactive there are more small conflicts, when that power buries it's head in the sand or there is a vacuum it inevitably ends with larger conflicts with a net result of more destruction.  

Isolationism is not only a short cited and selfish goal, it is also counter productive and more importantly futile.

We couldn't stay out of world affairs in the 1700's way back to the Barbary wars.  Why do you think we can keep out of it today?