County Tries Police Cams

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

FB, what was wrong with my analysis and citation to actual text of the document?  Like it or not, those reason are pretty sound and reflect the thought process that caused the rules to go into effect.  If you refuse to address the underlying concerns, it's really a non-issue from here on out.

Your Analysis is fine by me.

I just wish I was treated with the same degree of civility by my own GOVERNMENT as those afforded protection by the Geneva Convention, and protected by the Hague Convention.

Would that really be TOO much to ask?

Namely, the use of bullets, be they explosive, hollow-point, or saboted, should NOT be permitted against civilians by police personnel.

I feel the same way about CS Gas.  The UN has classified it as a poison gas.

Our police and FBI still use it.

Witness the 1993 Branch Davidian Cook-out, Baby Barbeque and Wienie Roast.

How many CS Penetrator Rounds did the FBI actually fire at the Branch Davidian Church?

[MH2010]

Uh-Oh,

Pooh bear is about to start talking about the black helicopters! I think the ignore button is about to be pushed....

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

Uh-Oh,

Pooh bear is about to start talking about the black helicopters! I think the ignore button is about to be pushed....

Isn't the Tulsa PD police helicopter painted black?

Hmmmmh?  Must mean.....

It FLIES mostly at NIGHT!

Concerned?  No, just concerned for basic humanity for Suspects.  

You can ignore.

Like can we get the same treatment by my own Government as required under the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Conventions as  soldiers and POW's of other countries get in Time of War.

Didn't someone declare a War on Drugs?  

[cannon_fodder]

Really a non-issue to me.  Cops shoot to kill, they are trained to.  And I'm OK with that. Everyone knows the rules

When things are done wrong it is tragic, but in spite of my mistrust of a police state I still think they are inherently a force for good and the vast majority of people shot by police had it coming.  When cops purposefully misbehave they should be hung out to dry, there is no such thing as a "mistake" when you beat someone or shoot someone in the back posing no threat.  Abuse of power is the worst crime in my book and I hold state officials (including officers) to a higher standard than most.

So I disagree with your conspiracy theories, but stay vigilant.  If Mel Gibson has taught us anything it's that eventually nut jobs get one right.  []

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Really a non-issue to me.  Cops shoot to kill, they are trained to.  And I'm OK with that. Everyone knows the rules

When things are done wrong it is tragic, but in spite of my mistrust of a police state I still think they are inherently a force for good and the vast majority of people shot by police had it coming.  When cops purposefully misbehave they should be hung out to dry, there is no such thing as a "mistake" when you beat someone or shoot someone in the back posing no threat.  Abuse of power is the worst crime in my book and I hold state officials (including officers) to a higher standard than most.

So I disagree with your conspiracy theories, but stay vigilant.  If Mel Gibson has taught us anything it's that eventually nut jobs get one right.  []

The difficulty of supporting charges of Police Misconduct are several fold, but briefly they are:

1)  The police are not INDEPENDENT to investigate themselves.  They control the investigation of a "crime", including when they are the perpetrators of the crime.

2)  Prosecutors are reluctant from alienating the police because without their support, they cannot really do their jobs as Prosectors.

3)  We seldom have the kind of evidence as we saw in the Rodney King beating or the Philly Police Stomp Dance.  If the police become aware they are being videotaped by a civilian, they attempt to take the videotape away as "evidence" of their crime.  

4)  The police are largely a male fraternity, with "bonding" from their first day at the Academy all the way through to their Union Dues each pay period.  The Blue Wall of Silence is more than a Uniform.  It's a way of life.  

5)  While esprit de corps is important, due to the increased trend of militarization of the police fostered by the War on Drugs, it has created a strong "Us-vs.-Them" mentality.

6) Friendly Bear is more like Julia Roberts than Jerry Fletcher.


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[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

Sorry pooh bear....

I've already seen the video.  All of the officers invovled were suspended and will face criminal charges. Which is exactly what would happen if a bunch of civilians did the same thing. What exactly would you want done to them?  Shot on the spot? They lost control and went beyond the scope of their duties and will be prosecuted for it.

The bullets are legal for civilian and police use.
Police use the ammo largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.

You should probably go back to the Mayor Taylor thread now.

Oh, come-on now.  The police use hollow-point, expanding and explosive bullets to inflict the maximum, gruesome wound, in the HOPE of killing the person being shot.

Then, if there's any question about the propriety of the shooting, it's the policeman's word against a Dead Man's body.

Policeman's word nearly always prevails.

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[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by patric

Lots of times when something like this could be handy, but with only three hours recording time, it will either over-write a lot of video that needed to be preserved, or not always be switched on when needed.
http://www.wirelessmobiledata.com/vidmic.pdf

New Jersey cops find a new way to collect cleavage shots on the beach:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0oP_pGJ1n4

Watch a creepy-eyed guy stumble through a video demonstration at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuAn0DlN0s0

Tulsa Police tried the lapel mic cameras about 6-7 months ago.  They were okay. They worked well in the daylight but the nighttime (low light) picture wasn't good. The recording time was also an issue.  We could never get over 5 hours.  Either officers had to switch them on when they thought they needed them or go back to the division before the three hour mark to download.  

Another issue was where officers should wear it.  If you put it at the "V" of your shirt, the pictue was good during interviews ect but if you pulled your weapon and/or just got into a tactical/fighting stance, the camera would be recording to the right(or left if your left handed) of what you wanted to record.  If you put the mic actually on your lapel, then it would usually record the sky or the horizon.

The best solution would be the cameras seen in the movie like "aliens" that the marines had. I think some soldiers use them now. They are right next to your eyes and see your line of sight.  That way what you are looking at is recorded.

I think in a few years, these things will be the way to go for city police officers but the technology still has a ways to go.

Looks like Oologah police are also getting portable video units:  VIDMICs

Here's the article:

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8303713