New License Plates... Vote!

[Wilbur]

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

[sauerkraut]

I'm not sold. I don't like 'em. I think I'll keep my heap registered in Kansas for another year.[}:)]

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

uh, well I have to call bull**** on that one.  do you not ever use the turnpike?  cameras are at every toll booth.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

uh, well I have to call bull**** on that one.  do you not ever use the turnpike?  cameras are at every toll booth.

Sorry, but those are private roads.  They can do what ever they want.  Just like the private roads in a gated community.  The gated community owns those roads and can do with them as they please.  Turnpikes are also private, thus they can do as they please.

And speaking of turnpikes...... How about mailing out speeding tickets based on the amount of time as you pass through each toll gate?  If you drive the speed limit, it should take you x-amount of time to drive from one toll gate to the next.  If the Pikepass shows your average speed is faster, you get a speeding ticket in the mail?  Believe me, the Turnpike Authority knows darn well you're driving 90 mph if it takes you 30 minutes to get to Stroud based on each time your Pikepass went 'beep'.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

If that's true, then why are there cameras on top of the stoplights at Tulsa street intersections?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

If that's true, then why are there cameras on top of the stoplights at Tulsa street intersections?

Those are left-turn sensors. If you'll notice, they are pointed at oncoming traffic, and would get very little useful data for any traffic violations. All they detect is if something is in front of them. Like the bee-boo things when you walk into radio shack.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

If that's true, then why are there cameras on top of the stoplights at Tulsa street intersections?

Those cameras only 'see', they don't record anything and simply replace the old magnetic loop system the city used to bury under the street.

The traffic signals need to be told when traffic is present so that traffic is sure to get a green light.  The cameras see traffic and tell the computer that, eventually, this car needs a green light.  It actually sees all lanes of traffic, not just the left-turn-only traffic.    

When the magnetic loops would break, it would require digging up the street to fix/replace.  When the camera breaks, you simply climb the pole and put on a new one.

[sgrizzle]

Dallas is considering turning off some of their red light cameras... of course they're paying close to $4,00 a month for each..

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-redlights_15met.ART.North.Edition1.468120d.html

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

uh, well I have to call bull**** on that one.  do you not ever use the turnpike?  cameras are at every toll booth.

Sorry, but those are private roads.  They can do what ever they want.  Just like the private roads in a gated community.  The gated community owns those roads and can do with them as they please.  Turnpikes are also private, thus they can do as they please.

And speaking of turnpikes...... How about mailing out speeding tickets based on the amount of time as you pass through each toll gate?  If you drive the speed limit, it should take you x-amount of time to drive from one toll gate to the next.  If the Pikepass shows your average speed is faster, you get a speeding ticket in the mail?  Believe me, the Turnpike Authority knows darn well you're driving 90 mph if it takes you 30 minutes to get to Stroud based on each time your Pikepass went 'beep'.

private eh?  So you are trying to tell me that none of my tax money goes to pay for their upkeep?  somehow I find that hard to believe.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

uh, well I have to call bull**** on that one.  do you not ever use the turnpike?  cameras are at every toll booth.

Sorry, but those are private roads.  They can do what ever they want.  Just like the private roads in a gated community.  The gated community owns those roads and can do with them as they please.  Turnpikes are also private, thus they can do as they please.

And speaking of turnpikes...... How about mailing out speeding tickets based on the amount of time as you pass through each toll gate?  If you drive the speed limit, it should take you x-amount of time to drive from one toll gate to the next.  If the Pikepass shows your average speed is faster, you get a speeding ticket in the mail?  Believe me, the Turnpike Authority knows darn well you're driving 90 mph if it takes you 30 minutes to get to Stroud based on each time your Pikepass went 'beep'.

private eh?  So you are trying to tell me that none of my tax money goes to pay for their upkeep?  somehow I find that hard to believe.

State and Federal funds are dedicated for those roads, and OTA just mails that money to ODOT to spend elsewhere.

Also, the turnpike cameras are just checking people who don't pay tolls, not traffic violations. Wilbur is right.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

uh, well I have to call bull**** on that one.  do you not ever use the turnpike?  cameras are at every toll booth.

Sorry, but those are private roads.  They can do what ever they want.  Just like the private roads in a gated community.  The gated community owns those roads and can do with them as they please.  Turnpikes are also private, thus they can do as they please.

And speaking of turnpikes...... How about mailing out speeding tickets based on the amount of time as you pass through each toll gate?  If you drive the speed limit, it should take you x-amount of time to drive from one toll gate to the next.  If the Pikepass shows your average speed is faster, you get a speeding ticket in the mail?  Believe me, the Turnpike Authority knows darn well you're driving 90 mph if it takes you 30 minutes to get to Stroud based on each time your Pikepass went 'beep'.

private eh?  So you are trying to tell me that none of my tax money goes to pay for their upkeep?  somehow I find that hard to believe.

State and Federal funds are dedicated for those roads, and OTA just mails that money to ODOT to spend elsewhere.

Also, the turnpike cameras are just checking people who don't pay tolls, not traffic violations. Wilbur is right.

no he stated that oklahoma law does not allow ANY form of camera enforcement which is incorrect.  if they make sure i pay tolls with cameras, that is camera enforcement on a road  being financed by public funds, private or public is a moot point.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

.... and Oklahoma law does not allow any form of camera enforcement.

uh, well I have to call bull**** on that one.  do you not ever use the turnpike?  cameras are at every toll booth.

Sorry, but those are private roads.  They can do what ever they want.  Just like the private roads in a gated community.  The gated community owns those roads and can do with them as they please.  Turnpikes are also private, thus they can do as they please.

And speaking of turnpikes...... How about mailing out speeding tickets based on the amount of time as you pass through each toll gate?  If you drive the speed limit, it should take you x-amount of time to drive from one toll gate to the next.  If the Pikepass shows your average speed is faster, you get a speeding ticket in the mail?  Believe me, the Turnpike Authority knows darn well you're driving 90 mph if it takes you 30 minutes to get to Stroud based on each time your Pikepass went 'beep'.

private eh?  So you are trying to tell me that none of my tax money goes to pay for their upkeep?  somehow I find that hard to believe.

State and Federal funds are dedicated for those roads, and OTA just mails that money to ODOT to spend elsewhere.

Also, the turnpike cameras are just checking people who don't pay tolls, not traffic violations. Wilbur is right.

no he stated that oklahoma law does not allow ANY form of camera enforcement which is incorrect.  if they make sure i pay tolls with cameras, that is camera enforcement on a road  being financed by public funds, private or public is a moot point.

Sorry, but it is a private road.  They contract out all of their services, including law enforcement services.  No law enforcement agency has authority on the turnpikes except for the Highway Patrol, who has been contracted to provide services.

I will grant you the Turnpike Authority mails you tickets when you don't pay the toll, but, the enforcement of paying that ticket is questionable.  I've never heard of anyone having an arrest warrant issued by the Turnpike Authority (can they even do that?) for failure to pay toll.  I have heard of them stopping your ability to update the tags on your car for failure to pay toll, but I don't consider that 'enforcement' action.

To me, it's like getting a parking ticket at Hillcrest or something.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


no he stated that oklahoma law does not allow ANY form of camera enforcement which is incorrect.  if they make sure i pay tolls with cameras, that is camera enforcement on a road  being financed by public funds, private or public is a moot point.

By your broad generalization, banks are also in violation because they use cameras to prevent theft.

[PonderInc]

Back to the issue of license plate designs...

After revisiting these a second time, I've decided that they all still suck.

I've never met a Native American who wears a loin cloth and carries a bow and arrow (though I've met some rednecks who wear camo and carry cross-bows).  I've never seen a guy with a gun on horseback, shooting his pistol into the air (but I have seen a security guard at a bowling alley fire his weapon into the air).  The only person I know who can jump through a spinning rope is my 87-year-old aunt.  I would definitely support putting a picture of her on our tags! (Though she would probably prefer a nice picture of a polled hereford.)  And, while I know that Will Rogers is our "native son"...few people getting their car tags renewed can tell you anything about him.  (I can probably tell you more about him than most folks.  But haven't we done anything in the past 70 years since his death that was noteworthy?)

I guess I'm glad there isn't a picture of an oil derrick.

Isn't pot our biggest cash crop?  A nice picture of some hemp on the tag would probably do more for Oklahoma tourism than the cowboys and Indians motif.

Just thinkin' out loud....

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Back to the issue of license plate designs...

After revisiting these a second time, I've decided that they all still suck.

I've never met a Native American who wears a loin cloth and carries a bow and arrow (though I've met some rednecks who wear camo and carry cross-bows).  I've never seen a guy with a gun on horseback, shooting his pistol into the air (but I have seen a security guard at a bowling alley fire his weapon into the air).  The only person I know who can jump through a spinning rope is my 87-year-old aunt.  I would definitely support putting a picture of her on our tags! (Though she would probably prefer a nice picture of a polled hereford.)  And, while I know that Will Rogers is our "native son"...few people getting their car tags renewed can tell you anything about him.  (I can probably tell you more about him than most folks.  But haven't we done anything in the past 70 years since his death that was noteworthy?)

I guess I'm glad there isn't a picture of an oil derrick.

Isn't pot our biggest cash crop?  A nice picture of some hemp on the tag would probably do more for Oklahoma tourism than the cowboys and Indians motif.

Just thinkin' out loud....

Our biggest cash crop is meth I think, thanks to donors like yourself. : )