OKC to get highrise/ possible tallest skyscraper

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Going tall is one thing but that means every floor has 18foot ceilings.

The only way it could have 18ft ceilings is if the floors themselves have no thickness.  18ft is the floor-to-floor height.  In a modern highrise, the distance from the floor of one floor to the celing below can be 6-8 ft to account for structure, mechanical and communication systems.  18ft floor-to-floor is fairly standard and not unusal.

But thanks for playing.

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual, if not an outrageous waste of space.  There's no way this building has that.

The 925 feet includes the 6-story atrium and architectural details.  There's where your discrepancy lies.

Even if the atrium was 100ft tall, that is still 18, almost 19ft per floor,

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Going tall is one thing but that means every floor has 18foot ceilings.

The only way it could have 18ft ceilings is if the floors themselves have no thickness.  18ft is the floor-to-floor height.  In a modern highrise, the distance from the floor of one floor to the celing below can be 6-8 ft to account for structure, mechanical and communication systems.  18ft floor-to-floor is fairly standard and not unusal.

But thanks for playing.

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual, if not an outrageous waste of space.  There's no way this building has that.

The 925 feet includes the 6-story atrium and architectural details.  There's where your discrepancy lies.

Even if the atrium was 100ft tall, that is still 18, almost 19ft per floor,

And 633 square feet per employee.

[AgentOrange]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual,

Prove it, skippy.

[MDepr2007]

Crap! What is this one going to cost us in ideas to beat them again?

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual,

Prove it, skippy.

Why don't you?  Cite some examples.  Or is it harder to dismiss a general statement like that with mere fact?

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual,

Prove it, skippy.

Why don't you?  Cite some examples.  Or is it harder to dismiss a general statement like that with mere fact?

Dam social club around here

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual,

Prove it, skippy.

You've got to be kidding me (skippy?).  18' floor-to-floor is absurd and would only be necessary for industrial laboratories or hospitals.  

Standard has always been more like 12'.  I have heard of like 13'9" for really tech-intense uses, which I supposed Devon might be.  It's a lot more expensive on the front end but saves future costs to have tall floors.  

But 18'?  That's a joke.

[AgentOrange]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual,

Prove it, skippy.

You've got to be kidding me (skippy?).  18' floor-to-floor is absurd and would only be necessary for industrial laboratories or hospitals.  

Standard has always been more like 12'.  I have heard of like 13'9" for really tech-intense uses, which I supposed Devon might be.  It's a lot more expensive on the front end but saves future costs to have tall floors.  

But 18'?  That's a joke.

Ok then.  Education time.

1st off...here is a handful of floor-to-floor heights in high-rises in both Tulsa and OKC:

1927 Philtower 14ft
1931 320 S. Boston 18ft  (including spire)
1931 First National 13ft
1931 City Place 13ft
1967 Bank of America 13ft
1971 West 7th 14ft
1972 BOK (OKC) 19ft
1971 Chase Tower 14ft
1973 First Place 13ft
1976 BOK 13ft
1980 Mid America 14ft
1982 Union Plaza 14ft
1982 Oklahoma Tower 14ft
1984 Leadership Square 14ft
1984 Valliance Bank 15ft

And if you look outside Oklahoma you will find that Somebody already did this for me

FYI:  18ft is about 5.5 meters

18ft may be a bit high, but it is certainly not excessive nor unusual.

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

18ft median occupied floor-to-floor would be highly unusual,

Prove it, skippy.

You've got to be kidding me (skippy?).  18' floor-to-floor is absurd and would only be necessary for industrial laboratories or hospitals.  

Standard has always been more like 12'.  I have heard of like 13'9" for really tech-intense uses, which I supposed Devon might be.  It's a lot more expensive on the front end but saves future costs to have tall floors.  

But 18'?  That's a joke.

Ok then.  Education time.

1st off...here is a handful of floor-to-floor heights in high-rises in both Tulsa and OKC:

1927 Philtower 14ft
1931 320 S. Boston 18ft  (including spire)
1931 First National 13ft
1931 City Place 13ft
1967 Bank of America 13ft
1971 West 7th 14ft
1972 BOK (OKC) 19ft
1971 Chase Tower 14ft
1973 First Place 13ft
1976 BOK 13ft
1980 Mid America 14ft
1982 Union Plaza 14ft
1982 Oklahoma Tower 14ft
1984 Leadership Square 14ft
1984 Valliance Bank 15ft

And if you look outside Oklahoma you will find that Somebody already did this for me

FYI:  18ft is about 5.5 meters

18ft may be a bit high, but it is certainly not excessive nor unusual.

Education time?  I love it--allow me.  (After this, I'm done--these message board pissing matches get wearisome.  I don't start them, but I finish them.)

Floor-to-floor height is an industry term that denotes the median space between occupied floors in a building.  http://standards.emporis.com/?nav=realestate&lng=3&esn=77849

When you play your math games to come up with height per floor, you're just applying stated floors to stated height of building without describing how the two interact, e.g., atrium, presentation floors, base parking structures, and architectural details.  

My guess is that this building will have 10' ceilings on most of the offices (standard lately; used to be 9' though).  They'll probably tack on another 3'6"-4' for ducts and conduits.  The lower and upper floors won't conform to this, but it's a likely description of how they'll construct a standard floor in the high-rise.

Get off the little skyscraper forums and get into the real world of construction and real estate.  Shop around for some commercial space in Uptown Dallas, get "educated," and then come back and see us.  

Skippy.

/internet snark

[AgentOrange]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



Education time?  I love it--allow me.  (After this, I'm done--these message board pissing matches get wearisome.  I don't start them, but I finish them.)

Floor-to-floor height is an industry term that denotes the median space between occupied floors in a building.  http://standards.emporis.com/?nav=realestate&lng=3&esn=77849

When you play your math games to come up with height per floor, you're just applying stated floors to stated height of building without describing how the two interact, e.g., atrium, presentation floors, base parking structures, and architectural details.  

My guess is that this building will have 10' ceilings on most of the offices (standard lately; used to be 9' though).  They'll probably tack on another 3'6"-4' for ducts and conduits.  The lower and upper floors won't conform to this, but it's a likely description of how they'll construct a standard floor in the high-rise.

Get off the little skyscraper forums and get into the real world of construction and real estate.  Shop around for some commercial space in Uptown Dallas, get "educated," and then come back and see us.  

Skippy.

/internet snark

That's rich.  The big bad expert is "going to finish it".  I doubt that will be your last post responding to me.

I have been educated.  I spent many years in school and graduated with a degree in architecture.  I have designed more than one high-rise.

My only issue here is that posters here think that somehow Devon is trying to build a tower so much higher than the BoK just to spite Tulsa.  And that Devon is using a completely excessive floor-to-floor height to make that possible.  My point is that is wrong.  18ft is not unusal.  And that point has be not been disproven.  I have numbers, you have nothing.

Speaking of "educated"...

I might also add that I just did the math instead of relying on the mathematically challenged poster (sgrizzel) here.  The Devon tower won't be 18ft flr-2-flr.  If you subtract the 35 ft lobby and the 60 ft crown you are left with 830.  Divide that by 53 and you get 15'-6" floor-to-floor, not 18 or 19.  Duh.

So..yea...pretty sure I'm done.

[AgentOrange]

Oh...and this might help.  I found it on the OKC site.

cowtowners

building section

[MDepr2007]

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

quote:Originally posted by Floyd



Education time?  I love it--allow me.  (After this, I'm done--these message board pissing matches get wearisome.  I don't start them, but I finish them.)

Floor-to-floor height is an industry term that denotes the median space between occupied floors in a building.  http://standards.emporis.com/?nav=realestate&lng=3&esn=77849

When you play your math games to come up with height per floor, you're just applying stated floors to stated height of building without describing how the two interact, e.g., atrium, presentation floors, base parking structures, and architectural details.  

My guess is that this building will have 10' ceilings on most of the offices (standard lately; used to be 9' though).  They'll probably tack on another 3'6"-4' for ducts and conduits.  The lower and upper floors won't conform to this, but it's a likely description of how they'll construct a standard floor in the high-rise.

Get off the little skyscraper forums and get into the real world of construction and real estate.  Shop around for some commercial space in Uptown Dallas, get "educated," and then come back and see us.  

Skippy.

/internet snark

That's rich.  The big bad expert is "going to finish it".  I doubt that will be your last post responding to me.

I have been educated.  I spent many years in school and graduated with a degree in architecture.  I have designed more than one high-rise.

My only issue here is that posters here think that somehow Devon is trying to build a tower so much higher than the BoK just to spite Tulsa.  And that Devon is using a completely excessive floor-to-floor height to make that possible.  My point is that is wrong.  18ft is not unusal.  And that point has be not been disproven.  I have numbers, you have nothing.

Speaking of "educated"...

I might also add that I just did the math instead of relying on the mathematically challenged poster (sgrizzel) here.  The Devon tower won't be 18ft flr-2-flr.  If you subtract the 35 ft lobby and the 60 ft crown you are left with 830.  Divide that by 53 and you get 15'-6" floor-to-floor, not 18 or 19.  Duh.

So..yea...pretty sure I'm done.

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[dbacks fan]

From my own personal experience working in the BOK/Williams Tower doing voice and data cabling for Vintage Petroleum (they were on the 43rd, 44th and 45th floors) in the mid 90's, the distance from the physical floor to the metal underlayment of the floor above was right at 13 1/2 feet. I am 5' 10" and standing on a 6' ladder I could almost touch the underlayment. I believe that the drop ceiling in most of the areas on those three floors was 8' 6".