A Special Kind of Stupid

[cannon_fodder]

1 question:

If there are riots in Denver, will it be leftist hippies, communists, labor party members, black caucus members, and other democrats... or conservatives that are turning over cars and smashing store fronts?

If the former, do you think they are listening to Rush?  If the latter, I highly doubt it.

If you honestly think people will take to the streets because Rush says so you are severely out of touch with his core audience.  But way to take the new "talking points" of all the liftist bloggers and post it whole sale like a good little follower.

and back up your claim of "illegal activities."    I want a citation to the law, jurisprudence, and his specific comments.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

1 question:

If there are riots in Denver, will it be leftist hippies, communists, labor party members, black caucus members, and other democrats... or conservatives that are turning over cars and smashing store fronts?

If the former, do you think they are listening to Rush?  If the latter, I highly doubt it.

If you honestly think people will take to the streets because Rush says so you are severely out of touch with his core audience.  But way to take the new "talking points" of all the liftist bloggers and post it whole sale like a good little follower.

and back up your claim of "illegal activities."    I want a citation to the law, jurisprudence, and his specific comments.

It's unlawful to incite a riot.....

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http://belvasdaughter.blogspot.com/2008/04/fox-expert-if-mob-ran-things-thered-be.html

"If, after watching the video below, you think that FOX should issue an apology to Sen. Obama and censure Ms. Byrnes, contact them here:"

feedback@foxbusiness.com and comments@foxnews.com

[cannon_fodder]

To incite a riot your actions must be "reasonably calculated and incur a high probability of causing illegal activity."

Basically, you need to have both the intent to and a chance of actually starting a riot.  Neither was present, so ignoring the semantics of what was actually said - it still is not a crime.

Please, stop making defend Rush.  He raises some good points, but generally I don't like his bully style nor his Republicans Are Right stance.

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quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

To incite a riot your actions must be "reasonably calculated and incur a high probability of causing illegal activity."

Basically, you need to have both the intent to and a chance of actually starting a riot.  Neither was present, so ignoring the semantics of what was actually said - it still is not a crime.

Please, stop making defend Rush.  He raises some good points, but generally I don't like his bully style nor his Republicans Are Right stance.

Oh come now.

[cannon_fodder]

Come now on legal definitions, pointing out the facts, or not wanting to defend Rush?

Sharpton was on the news this morning, saying he wants to shut NYC down and take to the streets... are you calling for his arrest?

[spoonbill]

I get confused every time I see this thread because I see "A Special Kind of Stupid"  then "FOTD" on the same line and all I can say is YES!

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That makes sense.

Many here miss the point.

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The point being...If you look at the U.S. Patriot Act, there are three requirements for causing someone to be labeled a "Domestic Terrorist": 'Under the new USA PATRIOT ACT, Section 802 of HR 3162 defines domestic terrorism as "activities that - 1) involve acts dangerous to human life 2) that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States: 3) ...and "appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;" or "to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;"' 1) Calling for riots is dangerous to human life. 2) Calling for riots is illegal. 3) Calling for riots to disrupt a political convention is clearly an attempt to both intimidate or coerce a civilian population AND influence governmental policy by intimidation or coercion. Thus, Rush Limbaugh is a "Domestic Terrorist" as defined by the U.S. Patriot Act.

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Declared a genius, this buffoon can't construct a simple sentence.

http://iht.com/articles/2008/05/12/america/rove.php


Rove as a pundit raises suspicions

By Jim Rutenberg and Jacques Steinberg
Published: May 12, 2008

WASHINGTON: Late Thursday night, Karl Rove, "the architect" of the last two Republican presidential victories, was on his new television perch at Fox News, offering free advice to Senator Barack Obama as he closed in on the Democratic nomination.

Any move by Obama to declare victory before the last of the Democratic primaries in June, Rove said, would alienate Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's wing of the party. "That's a mistake," he said.

"That just is rubbing the loser's nose in it. And a lot of those supporters will remember it by November."

In the Obama campaign war room in Chicago, where Rove's talking head was just one of several across six television screens, his counsel was taken with a heavy dose of salt.

"Wouldn't taking his advice be a little like getting health tips from a funeral home director?" said Obama's press secretary, Bill Burton.

The bête noire of the Democrats has turned pundit, and his old nemeses - along with those who used to cover him in the news media - do not always know what to make of it.

One year ago, when he was still a deputy White House chief of staff in the Bush administration, Rove was more likely than not ducking news organizations.

Now, he has joined them, as an analyst for Fox News and a contributor to Newsweek and The Wall Street Journal. A book is in the offing, too. (Still no word on a radio show, but there was an National Public Radio appearance late last week).

At times clearly partisan, at others, apparently offering down-the-middle analysis, Rove's new role as a media star marks another step in the evolution of mainstream journalism - where opinion, "straight news" reporting and unmistakable spin increasingly mingle, especially on television.

George Stephanopoulos's abrupt move 11 years ago from Bill Clinton's White House to ABC News - initially as a partisan member of a Sunday morning political panel who would also do some reporting - raised hackles inside and outside the network.

Speaking at the time to the American Journalism Review, the Washington Post columnist David Broder complained about what he saw as a worrisome trend: "One day they are calling journalists to write favorably about their prominent political patrons," Broder said, "and the next minute they are sitting at the table with journalists and indistinguishable from the journalists."

This year, there has been hardly a hiccup as the cable news networks and other outlets have sought to stoke interest in the presidential race - already a huge ratings boon - by signing up a number of strategists who have either left politics only recently, or still work in campaigns, a detail that is usually shared with the audience but not always.

Nicolle Wallace, who had been the communications director for President George W. Bush's 2004 campaign and then held the same job in the White House, was an on-air political consultant for CBS News until last month, when she joined the campaign of Senator John McCain.

Alex Castellanos, formerly the top advertising strategist for Mitt Romney, has been a regular member of CNN's bipartisan panel on Democratic election nights. He is also now an outside volunteer adviser to McCain's advertising team.

The CNN analyst Paul Begala is a Clinton supporter who works as a consultant to Progressive Media USA, a so-called 527 group that is running attack ads against McCain. Begala often sits alongside James Carville, a former Clinton aide, or Donna Brazile, a Democratic National Committee member and superdelegate.

"We have now reached a point, particularly in 24/7 cable, where it is not the journalist who is the preferred participant, but the politician, the political activist, the Karl Rove type," said Marvin Kalb, the former director of the Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard who was a former correspondent for CBS and NBC.

There are "Karl Rove types," and there is Karl Rove, who defined the modern brand of knuckle-ball politics and helped build a new generation of Republican operatives, some of them now with the McCain campaign, including Wallace and Steve Schmidt, McCain's senior strategist.

Rove, who would not comment for this article, says that he maintains regular contact with his progeny at the McCain campaign.

"I'm not certain that I qualify as an adviser to McCain," he wrote in an online discussion last week with readers of the Washington Post Web site. "I have friends at the campaign who occasionally ask me for reactions, and the Fox network is well aware of that, and similar contacts by some of their Democratic analysts."


Rove is also regularly mentioned as a candidate to run a Republican 527 group, though no plans have been announced.

Jon Meacham, the editor of Newsweek, said he was not worried that his readers would confuse Rove's leanings. "No one on the planet who is reading Newsweek is at all puzzled as to what Karl's politics are," he said.

Meacham said he hired Rove as a contributor last fall in an effort to "responsibly provoke." Indeed, he said, several hundred readers canceled their subscriptions in response to the announcement.

Unlike many of his fellow commentators, Rove has avoided any big predictions.

On March 6, he warned in The Wall Street Journal against reading too much into a victory for Clinton in Pennsylvania. "If she wins," he wrote, "there are five more contests with more than 50 delegates at stake in each, and Obama could regain momentum."

He has also at times been complimentary to the other side, saying of Obama's speech last week on the night of the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, "I thought it was well done."

Democrats say they remain suspicious, especially of his "advice."

In a letter to Obama in Newsweek last month, Rove advised him to do more to work across party lines in the Senate because "your lack of achievements undercuts your core themes." On Fox News he recently suggested that Obama campaign less and work in the Senate more.

Begala, the Democratic operative and CNN analyst, said it was Rove's job, and his own, to keep them guessing.

"That's what makes it interesting television," he said.


Join us, or join the hero's; that's my bet of what the slimy worms' advice is about.

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The contrast between the commedians on Faux Newz, CNN, and Comedy Network is amazing.

Jon Stewart conducts a very good interview here. Why do we hardly ever see this type of interview from the MSM? The fright wing should coduct themselves like Stewart since they are all in the same business. They should all be held to the same ethical standards in the realm of entertainment.

http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2008/05/jon-stewart-spe.html

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The worst person of all these scoundrels.....BILL OLIELY!


In case you missed this Billarious melt down:
http://gawker.com/5008668/bill-oreilly-meltdown-resurfaces

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Still more stupidity from the Evangelickas....
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/85497/


Apocalyptic Christian Nationalism at Its Scariest

Posted by ZP Heller, Brave New Films at 9:20 AM on May 15, 2008.

These are excerpts from "Silhouette City," a new documentary by Michael Wilson that investigates apocalyptic Christian nationalism. The film tracks the rise of this religious fervor over the last three decades, from fringe Christian survivalist groups of the 1970's to today's mainstream movement. As you can see from this clip, the current leaders of apocalyptic Christian nationalism include Rev. Rod Parsley and Rev. John Hagee, whose endorsement John McCain has actively sought.

According to Wilson:

"I began making "Silhouette City" because, in late 2001, I began to hear echoes of the Christian extremism from my childhood in Arkansas. In order to quiet the ringing in my ears, I immersed myself in the contemporary Christian right – the media, music, ministries, books, personalities and organizational apparatuses.... As the economy continues to slide, the energy crisis becomes palpable and the occupation of Iraq appears indefinite, the potential grows for a major disruption of daily life. A significant percentage of the population sees these looming crises through a specific lens: a belief that humanity is waging the opening skirmishes of a cosmic war between Good and Evil that will usher in the Kingdom of God. Such belief enables an ever-escalating sense of urgency – very real threats to the middle and lower classes (outsourcing, rising fuel and food costs, etc) combine with perceived threats (secularism, homosexuality, ethnic/religious others) to become overwhelming evidence of the tribulations that signal apocalypse."

"Silhouette City" focuses on the motivations behind this growing need to adopt an apocalyptic worldview.

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Right-Wing Media Using Immigration Debate to Mainstream Hate

By Ali Gharib, AlterNet. Posted May 23, 2008.

http://www.alternet.org/immigration/86302/

"By poisoning the public discourse with disinformation, right-wing talkers improve their ratings while leaving us far from fixing a broken system. "

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

The worst person of all these scoundrels.....BILL OLIELY!


In case you missed this Billarious melt down:
http://gawker.com/5008668/bill-oreilly-meltdown-resurfaces

On his radio show, he ain't that bad a guy....