A Special Kind of Stupid

[HazMatCFO]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Now, this would be justice....

Will Rush Limbaugh Be Indicted for Voter Fraud?

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/80392/

"As the board of election in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, where Cleveland is located, launches an investigation into illegal crossover voting in the state's 2008 presidential primary, a big open question remains unanswered: Will county officials go after the ringleaders of apparently illegal electioneering where thousands of Republican voters swore -- under penalty of law -- allegiance to the Democratic Party in order to vote for Hillary Clinton?"

No one is going to be prosecuted for changing party registration to vote on one side of the primary. Now you're getting into Neo-NAZI thought crimes and we dont' need to go down that slope.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:

In terms of the Constituttion, I think right-wing radio only makes a stand when it's their own ox being gored (directly or indirectly), or if something goes against their personal interpretation of it.

Examples please?

For instance, anti-war or anti-Bush demonstrators: you'll hear the likes of, say, Brian Kilmeade raising the question as to when it would be OK to whack the demonstrators around a bit, but if there was proposed legislation concerning the editorial content of his prgramming, you can bet he'd be citing the 1st Amendment to protect his right to be stupid.

Since I do not know the context of Kilmeade's statement, I can only presume you must be suggesting that all anti-war protests are protected by 1st Amendment and thus any whacking of demonstrators would violate the 1st Amendment. Plainly, not all protests are protected. For example, if you came over to my house and started exercising your 1st Amendment rights by throwing red paint (symbolizing blood) on my house, you could expect to get whacked. That's trespassing. Same goes for those protesters who paint their hands red and shove them into the faces of other people. That's assault.

[FOTD]

Few and far between malcontents on the left. Those few pale in comparrison to the vast web of ridicule radio ditto head sheep spreading their gospel of divisiveness and fear like the undisciplined nomads they flock with across our nation.

Jerimiah Wright is their only story.....sick.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:

In terms of the Constituttion, I think right-wing radio only makes a stand when it's their own ox being gored (directly or indirectly), or if something goes against their personal interpretation of it.

Examples please?

For instance, anti-war or anti-Bush demonstrators: you'll hear the likes of, say, Brian Kilmeade raising the question as to when it would be OK to whack the demonstrators around a bit, but if there was proposed legislation concerning the editorial content of his prgramming, you can bet he'd be citing the 1st Amendment to protect his right to be stupid.

Since I do not know the context of Kilmeade's statement, I can only presume you must be suggesting that all anti-war protests are protected by 1st Amendment and thus any whacking of demonstrators would violate the 1st Amendment. Plainly, not all protests are protected. For example, if you came over to my house and started exercising your 1st Amendment rights by throwing red paint (symbolizing blood) on my house, you could expect to get whacked. That's trespassing. Same goes for those protesters who paint their hands red and shove them into the faces of other people. That's assault.

I'll retract a portion of my previous statement: Kilmeade's statements were not necessarily concerning antiwar demonstrators, but more towards those who were involved in demonstrating at the 2004 RNC convention. Evenso, I'm aware of the differences between lawful and unlawful protests, and those differences are very clear and distinct.

Kilmeade's statements came about during the 2004 RNC convention in New York, where there was a demonstration concerning Bush. He was obviously ticked that there were some people who were discontent with the then-present direction that US policy was taking, were unsatisfied with the president, and that they actually had the temerity to demonstrate against that.

The converstaion between Kilmeade and NYPD official Raymond Kelly concerining demonstrators took place July 13, 2004.

From mediamatters:

During the same program, the hosts interviewed New York City's police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly, about security plans for the upcoming Republican convention, and focused on reports that some protestors plan to disrupt the convention or interfere with security operations. According to the FOX & Friends co-hosts, the reports suggest that some black-garbed protesters might intentionally try to confound bomb-sniffing dogs by wearing clothes with traces of gunpowder, or use marbles to thwart the work of mounted police officers. After a commercial break, the discussion returned with a broader focus, and Kilmeade asked about convention protestors, "When is it okay to whack them around?" Kelly hesitated for a moment before responding, "Never." Apparently unsatisfied with Kelly's response, Kilmeade restated his question, asking, "If they're not moving, if they're threatening you, can you whack them around?" After Kelly repeated his response, Kilmeade made his own view clear: "I hate seeing these protests."

KILMEADE: When is it OK to whack them around?

KELLY: Never.

KILMEADE: If they are not moving, if they are threatening you, can you whack them around?

KELLY: No. No. No. Believe me, we do things according to the Constitution and laws of New York state. So that's not something we engage in.

[crosstalk]

KILMEADE: I hate seeing these protests.

[guido911]

So, according to Media Matters, Kilmeade in 2004 stated he hated seeing protests. That's your evidence that right wingers only care about constitutional rights when it suits their interests? Well, with that empirical statistic, I must accede to your position.
For what it's worth, I too in large measure hate seeing protests, especially those where idiots run around naked to protest AIDS funding (which happened at the 2004 Republican Convention) or blocking access to, or trying to blow up, military recruiting stations. I guess that makes me an anti-1st Amendment malcontent too.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

So, according to Media Matters, Kilmeade in 2004 stated he hated seeing protests. That's your evidence that right wingers only care about constitutional rights when it suits their interests? Well, with that empirical statistic, I must accede to your position.
For what it's worth, I too in large measure hate seeing protests, especially those where idiots run around naked to protest AIDS funding (which happened at the 2004 Republican Convention) or blocking access to, or trying to blow up, military recruiting stations. I guess that makes me an anti-1st Amendment malcontent too.

As best as I can figure it, he was advocating taking violent means by which to quell the demonstration. But you can be sure that if say, the FCC took exception to his biased commentaries on TV or even the radio, he'd be screaming about the 1st Amendment and "equal time" and what have you.

[mr.jaynes]

Perhaps I've missed the point....

[FOTD]

Moe Dowd does it mightier, with her pen. But it's not reprinted in any local news rag.Not as omnipotent as straight talk for fright wing radio.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/opinion/23dowd.html?th&emc=th

"On Friday in Charlotte, N.C., Bill Clinton, the man who once thanked an R.O.T.C. recruiter "for saving me from the draft" during Vietnam, sounded like Sean Hannity without the finesse."

[FOTD]

"Anti-intellectual Republican presidents have led this nation into a new age of unreason, as former Vice President Al Gore argued in The Assault on Reason (2007) and more recently, Susan Jacoby has reported in The Age of Unreason (2008). As Senator Obama campaigns, he can truly change America by simply refusing to play dumb. That strategy, if Obama continues it, may turn out to be not only courageous but also wise, for it is very possible that, after so many years, Americans are tired of having their innate intelligence insulted by their presidential candidates."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13608

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

"That strategy, if Obama continues it, may turn out to be not only courageous but also wise, for it is very possible that, after so many years, Americans are tired of having their innate intelligence insulted by their presidential candidates."

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13608

Not likely.  Innate intelligence, for many Americans, is the ability to put jalapenos in their velveeta occasionally, in order to call it Mexican food.  Much of the American electorate is supremely capable of profound stupidity.  The Democrats shouldn't be so quick to underestimate that.  The GOP hasn't.

[FOTD]

"Oh, yeah! We're best of buds!"

Sean Hannity Confronted Over His Relationship With Neo-Nazi Hal Turner

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/23/sean-hannity-confronted-o_n_92961.html

"We have an article in a national magazine plus one of the parties involved who say that Hannity was a welcoming, friendly and encouraging host for Turner's views for a good while. Neither Boyce nor Hannity has specifically denied that."

We are not going to let these corporate representatives of the air waves redirect the issues this time around. We intend to not only knock them down but step on their necks and force them to inhale the mud they throw disingeniously forcing the conversation towards inanity rather than nobility as our country desrves.

Had these morons the power of the fright machine in the days of the revolution, we'd all be slaves of England to this day.

[Conan71]

Hannity isn't running for office last time I checked.  Who cares?  Everyone knows Republican pundits are all closeted gay dope smokers.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Hannity isn't running for office last time I checked.  Who cares?  Everyone knows Republican pundits are all closeted gay dope smokers.

Another lie....they take their dope many ways but not smokie....they mainline Big Pharma.

[guido911]

And here is another example of dumbass protesters and their dumbass protest:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-080323-arrests-holy-name,1,1788110.story

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

And here is another example of dumbass protesters and their dumbass protest:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-080323-arrests-holy-name,1,1788110.story

Again. Those gadfly's reach across the aisles and get the attention of a few hundred fellow congregants. Your talking mavens spew damned lies and hate to hundreds of thousands Neanderthals.