Updates on Abundant Life Bldg (Tulsa Club moved to its own thread)

[AquaMan]

This building must be saved somehow.....I no longer live in Tulsa.  Moved to Dallas years ago when Tulsa was tearing everything down and the old fart, 'no taxes for Tulsa' crowd was in its ascendancy.  Will this Bruce Goff masterpiece go the way of so many other outstanding Tulsa buildings?  There seems to be an almost suicidal bent among certain Tulsans to eradicate anything historic.  I didn't get it then and I certainly don't understand it now when almost every city in America, large and small is saving and re-purposing their downtowns.  Hopefully, as others have suggested, BrickHugger may take it on.

The anti-tax thing here is maniacal. Even when a city down the pike shows how judiciously used taxation can improve your quality of life and give you more opportunity we continue to rationalize (we're prettier you know). Most of us don't mind additional property tax, sales tax etc. if its used to better our lives. Instead we have fees everywhere, increasing water/sewer rates, EMSA increases and still get poor services. However, we're politically pure conservative. God loves us best.

[cannon_fodder]

Meet the new owner... Same as the old owner?  Tulsa Club for Sale for $1.35 million.

He bought it a couple years ago for $460k.  Looked at some possibilities, decides his life is going in a different direction, and lists it for 3x what he paid.

Not sure if this has anything to do with the recently announced TIF decisions that didn't include the Tulsa Club: http://m.tulsaworld.com/opinionhomepage2/tulsa-world-editorial-downtown-tax-abatements-created/article_f93c4c41-ba3b-5d48-9cbc-57e1fb3d88cc.html?mode=jqm

BUT... At that price it sits for another decade.  A year ago he was the high bidder at 1/3 that price.  What has tripplee the value since?  Another building that will sit with a ridiculous price on it.

[carltonplace]

He might as well have listed it for 1.35 billion.

[BKDotCom]

What has tripplee the value since?

window board treatments by our very own The Artist.

[cannon_fodder]

window board treatments by our very own The Artist.

Hate to tell you... But those were scraped off.

[TheArtist]

Hate to tell you... But those were scraped off.

Scraped off?  As in scraped off the paint or ripped the boards off?

[davideinstein]

Sick of paper pushers ruining Downtown. Get these buildings alive or get the hell out.

[Conan71]

Meet the new owner... Same as the old owner?  Tulsa Club for Sale for $1.35 million.

He bought it a couple years ago for $460k.  Looked at some possibilities, decides his life is going in a different direction, and lists it for 3x what he paid.

Not sure if this has anything to do with the recently announced TIF decisions that didn't include the Tulsa Club: http://m.tulsaworld.com/opinionhomepage2/tulsa-world-editorial-downtown-tax-abatements-created/article_f93c4c41-ba3b-5d48-9cbc-57e1fb3d88cc.html?mode=jqm

BUT... At that price it sits for another decade.  A year ago he was the high bidder at 1/3 that price.  What has tripplee the value since?  Another building that will sit with a ridiculous price on it.

Jackass.  I hope he's got the money to pay the taxes and assessments for the next couple of decades.  Hate to say it, but it's probably more valuable as more surface parking for the churches to the east by the time economics meet reality.  bucking shame.  Send me his home address so I can toilet paper his trees.

[BKDotCom]

Jackass.  I hope he's got the money to pay the taxes and assessments for the next couple of decades.  Hate to say it, but it's probably more valuable as more surface parking for the churches to the east by the time economics meet reality.  bucking shame.  Send me his home address so I can toilet paper his trees.

A few results come up
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[TheArtist]

I know, lets get 10-15 mill from the next tax package and I will turn it into the Tulsa Art Deco Museum.   I would use that money to gut what needed to be gutted (huge boilers and such in the basement bigger than a semi that will have to be cut down and taken out), fix the roof and elevators, and then get the first few floors and perhaps the ballroom finished out and have electrical/plumbing fixed in those and in such a way that the upper floors can be done later.  Rent out some of the first floor for offices/retail and have some ground floor space for an entrance/gift shop for the museum, then use one floor to start and reserve another of the floors above that have some really large rooms as museum space, then rent out other spaces on one more floor for offices (total of 3 lower floors to finish out at first) and also bring the ballroom/main dining back to life.  Then as income allows finish up another floor or two at a time to rent out as lofts (more expensive to do that way but do as much as we get money for in the initial stash).  Eventually the museum could take up say like the second and third floors and part of the first, like the main entry and lobby and the main ballroom would serve as part of the attraction, and the retail (including a ground floor museum gift shop) and living/dining would be income to sustain the museum.  

10-15mill, even 20, would be a bargain compared to what they were wanting for the OK Pop museum and we would be saving a historic building and have a way to eventually make the museum self-sustaining.

[sgrizzle]

Hate to tell you... But those were scraped off.

Still there last time I walked by.

[carltonplace]

Still there last time I walked by.

I saw them yesterday.

[cannon_fodder]

I must be thinking of the wrong building on the window dressing.

[TheArtist]

I must be thinking of the wrong building on the window dressing.

I hope I am not about to be insulted.

[Townsend]

I hope I am not about to be insulted.

Let's check.  What building were you thinking of, CF?