Updates on Abundant Life Bldg (Tulsa Club moved to its own thread)

[cannon_fodder]

Can we separate this discussion into two threads: (1) Tulsa Club, which is a real project at this point and will be a crown jewel for downtown on the same level of the Mayo and (2) Abundant Life, which continues to rot away with no viable plan and needs to meet an ARK Wrecking crew ASAP..

We started a seperate thread for the Tulsa Club a week ago, I PM'd the Moderator to update the thread title:
http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=21435.0

[AdamsHall]

Construction fence going up around Abundant Life building.  Anyone know what is going on?

[shavethewhales]

I'll bet the building has finally fallen into enough disrepair to finally warrant demolition. I'm betting it becomes nothing more than parking for the time being.

[AdamsHall]

I'll bet the building has finally fallen into enough disrepair to finally warrant demolition. I'm betting it becomes nothing more than parking for the time being.

Maybe.  They have also set-up side-walk protective scaffolding.  Really curious to see what happens on this one.

[SXSW]

I'll bet the building has finally fallen into enough disrepair to finally warrant demolition. I'm betting it becomes nothing more than parking for the time being.

In this rare case that will actually be an improvement.  My hope is that someday soon the land is valuable enough that multi-story residences can replace those parking lots along the west side of Boulder. 

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

This is an ugly building, but I'm wondering if some sort of genius redesign could make it look like an art installation.

Maybe the facade is a big part of the problem (too hard to maintain). I don't think a parking lot is an improvement. If the structure is in tact, renovating should be the way to go.

[AdamsHall]

This is an ugly building, but I'm wondering if some sort of genius redesign could make it look like an art installation.

Maybe the facade is a big part of the problem (too hard to maintain). I don't think a parking lot is an improvement. If the structure is in tact, renovating should be the way to go.

Facade coming down.  Developer trying to decide what to do with remaining structure, but appears to be trying to re-develop it.

[swake]

Facade coming down.  Developer trying to decide what to do with remaining structure, but appears to be trying to re-develop it.

The facade was already coming down all on it's own. Tear the building down.

[shavethewhales]

https://ktul.com/news/local/iconic-downtown-building-losing-facade

Here is the news report. So basically they are just taking the facade itself down... so it will be even more of an ugly box. Not sure why people are trying so hard to save this thing. Especially now, there won't be any redeeming quality about it.

[DTowner]

Presumably the facade became a safety issue.  I have mixed feelings about this one.  I hate to see old buildings torn down that could be repurposed, but this is such a strange building it might not be a realistic/practical rehab.

[Tulsan]

The facade was already coming down all on it's own. Tear the building down.

It's built like a brick smilehouse. Look at the foundation and steel framing. It can be gutted and stripped to the frame in a way that makes reuse possible.

[Conan71]

It's built like a brick smilehouse. Look at the foundation and steel framing. It can be gutted and stripped to the frame in a way that makes reuse possible.

Nice find on the old pics!

[AdamsHall]

Asbestos abatement work planned for Abundant Life building.

https://www.deq.ok.gov/2020-news-releases/deq-and-city-of-tulsa-join-forces-to-cleanup-asbestos-in-the-abundant-life-building/

[shavethewhales]

I glanced at it while driving past a couple weeks ago and noticed that the lower levels looked like they had been covered with fresh mortar/stucco/whatever. Probably to keep the asbestos contained better.

When they say they are "cleaning it up", does that mean demolishing the building? At the very least I assume they will have to gut the structure to get it out.

[AdamsHall]

I glanced at it while driving past a couple weeks ago and noticed that the lower levels looked like they had been covered with fresh mortar/stucco/whatever. Probably to keep the asbestos contained better.

When they say they are "cleaning it up", does that mean demolishing the building? At the very least I assume they will have to gut the structure to get it out.

Typically asbestos abatement does not require the demolition of the building structure, but they may need to do this in order to demolish the building.  Based upon the construction pictures provided, it seems there is a substantial metal superstructure, so it might make sense to remove the exterior concrete panels, and reconfigure with a modern skin.  I would be curious to know where they found asbestos, but I anticipate they are referring to interior sources, e.g., it could reside in floor tile, ceiling tile, boiler(s), popcorn ceiling treatment, etc.