We Finance Polygamist Sect

[waterboy]

Now that makes sense. So we run Shadows posts through the "fosizzlator" thing before responding?

[iplaw]

I still think he reads better in Engrish.

Check your book of Moses program, her family last week (a man and his wife) and the interviewer is often done, as she finished the program chair, sat down, but one One of the family.

Associated with a person who has been with me, and informed them of the church in the care of their own welfare law, according to Moses.

I realize the administration and post However, the book's primary religion, "Ruth" in dealing with this theme, as well as in many other places, the founding father of the spirit of the Constitution.

If law, a Nevada prostitution, but not the court's decision that there is no illegal activity, preformed compound under the federal code?

[shadows]

The article in the morning paper indicates that someone from the "Its for the children groups" has struck the hornet's nest as the lawyers by the hundreds are responding to the accusations in making abuse charges first then find the evidence of abuse later.

We are going to replay Waco again but this time there are some very intelligent and educated persons that belong to the LDS compounds stepping forward.

It can be dropped now or take millions and years to finalize the outcome.

Shall we continue the witch hunt for abuse in the compounds or address the teen prostitutes and teen pregnancies on our streets today?  What is your solution?  

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

The article in the morning paper indicates that someone from the "Its for the children groups" has struck the hornet's nest as the lawyers by the hundreds are responding to the accusations in making abuse charges first then find the evidence of abuse later.

We are going to replay Waco again but this time there are some very intelligent and educated persons that belong to the LDS compounds stepping forward.

It can be dropped now or take millions and years to finalize the outcome.

Shall we continue the witch hunt for abuse in the compounds or address the teen prostitutes and teen pregnancies on our streets today?  What is your solution?  

Why is addressing child abuse and welfare fraud in these polygamist compounds an either/or proposition with addressing teen prostitution?

And I think you will find plenty of teen pregnancies in both demographic groups, ie teen prostitutes and teenage wives in polygamist marriages.

I think a better question is why you are so defensive of these compounds?

[cannon_fodder]

The sun has set upon the righteous word of god for those that have come forth unto us have not cared for the working poor.  The honor guard of the past empire wants to drag us into their games as gladiators for their amusement.  Surely this empire will meet their fate.

For lunch I ate fast food, the blood of the wicked.

My solution to teen pregnancies was to stop having sex with teenagers.  So far, so good.

[shadows]

CF:   Did not Justice Cardozo in 1936 rule "by adsorption the constitution applied to all the states?"  

Ones analogy would assume that what applied to Nevada would apply to all the states.  If that be true then the compounds could and would be classed (by the critics) as a Red Light District and be permitted under the federal statutes. We have not addressed the same sex marriages legality yet nor has any charges been filed in this instant case.

Lets quote the amendment on religion made because the Pilgrims fled England to these shores because of the Church of England controlled the government and the churches.  Lets quote how Jacob was the breeder of the 12 tribes of Israel of which is the foundation of Religion.  Lets quote who was to receive the tithe stored in the warehouse in the laws of Moses.  

Now if the administration will allow the posting in Pig Latin as some of the posters prefer; as having much experience in that language, I can save a lot of space by posting in Pig Latin and save the coveting space.  

[shadows]

SWAKE:  It is not my intention to defend these people but according to the article in the morning paper hundreds of lawyers are asking for a "friend of the court" status as they converge on the hearings.

How do you defend a practice that has been in force throughout all history.   In this challenge, which is based upon policies of many cultures, of many civilizations, we are enforcing our beliefs through a back door approach.   I am 10% religious and 90% for such a practice that is permitted by the laws of nature.  

[waterboy]

Foshizzle! One of the last four posters is the real Shadows. Can you tell which one? Log your vote in on 1-800-AmericanCult.[8D]

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Foshizzle! One of the last four posters is the real Shadows. Can you tell which one? Log your vote in on 1-800-AmericanCult.[8D]

Coffee-spitting laugh of the day!!!

[cannon_fodder]

Shadows:  The Constitution applies to all the states, specifically by virtue the the 14th Amendment applying to the states.  It doesn't have to make sense, but that is what the rule is.

Understand that the Constitution sets up a framework to operate under.  As I described above, it has been held to protect certain rights.  Prostitution is one party wanting to pay for sex and another party wanting to get paid to have sex.  There is no constitutional right on either side of the transaction.  Thus, a state is free to regulate or ban prostitution as they see fit.

So... under the Constitution prostitution is perfectly legal.  As is driving 100 mph on an interstate, selling cold high point beer, a 2 tier alcohol distribution system, gambling, driving without a license, and hordes of other things... but in each case the act is not a protected right under the constitution and can thus be regulated by the states.  So what is legal in Nevada, is not necessarily legal in Oklahoma and visa versa.

Currently same sex marriage is not recognized as a right under the constitution and thus is left to the States.  The issue in that regard comes to the full faith and credit clause...  just as Oklahoma must recognize the legality of prostitution in Nevada we have to show full faith and credit to marriages in other states.  Which many don't want to do if they find the the sex life of the individuals against their tastes.  So a bit of a different issue and somewhat out of the box.
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On a different note, the reason you receive jabbing and of kilter responses is because your posts are nearly incoherent.  In the past I, and others, have attempted to point this out in a similarly calm manner and you have ignored us.  If a man entered into a conversation or, more likely, stood on a street corner and was shouting:

quote:Lets quote how Jacob was the breeder of the 12 tribes of Israel of which is the foundation of Religion. Lets quote who was to receive the tithe stored in the warehouse in the laws of Moses.

People would quickly shuffle by and it is unlikely that people would engage in actual conversation with him.

In all honesty, many people find your most difficult to decipher, somewhat random, obscure, and often completely off subject.  I try hard to find out what you are trying to get at and frequently respond - but it is a real effort and I'm not even sure I do understand.  Please try to draft coherent statements as if you were sitting across the table from someone.

Otherwise it would be a safe bet that your posts will continue to be met with more ridicule than discussion.  Sorry, just a fact of the world that people that don't make sense are excluded from conversation.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

The LDS were taking care of their children.   Tulsa, I believe is in the number one state with children born out of wedlock.  Many of the mothers are barely in their teens.  We spend millions supporting the children and looking for the persons who fathered them to help support them.  

Was not the 12 tribes of Israel produced by one man impregnating four women three times?  

The government did serve a sealed search warrant not like the one served at Waco.  

oh I see, so how many wives do you have?

listen, one allegation was that their "leader" held the babies under a water faucet to "break them" when they cried too much.

In my fundamentalist law book, that is grounds for death right there.


There is no punishment but death for violence against children.

[shadows]

I am sorry that I am not an artist that can paint a picture of what I assume is a basic knowledge of fundamentals that should be available to the intellectuals of our modern society.  As one of the uneducated inhalants' assigned to the passing generation by some unknown force, I do assume that with the available knowledge that one should be able to post a short post recalling the events on the table, relying on the wisdom of the learned, who is already aware of the events, if as standing on the street corner and shouting to a passing intellectual "the seat of your pants is split open" which should not require two pages of speech to inform the person of his lack of knowledge.

Thus in order to shorten the post, off times I have used a related part of an associated subject, assuming all readers with our present short tension would not give up before becoming reader bored.  

Would any of the preceding posts be applicable to this statement.

Revised wording in regards to flaming, baiting and general trolling.
   

[cannon_fodder]

Shadows, my last post was very honest criticism.  I think you have well structured opinions, but most readers glaze over your posts because it is either too much work or impossible to glean meaning form them.  I'm sorry if this offends you.

Case in point:

quote:As one of the uneducated inhalants' assigned to the passing generation by some unknown force, I do assume that with the available knowledge that one should be able to post a short post recalling the events on the table, relying on the wisdom of the learned, who is already aware of the events, if as standing on the street corner and shouting to a passing intellectual "the seat of your pants is split open" which should not require two pages of speech to inform the person of his lack of knowledge.

I think you are talking about people being long winded, but I'm not sure.  If that is what you are trying to say - "I type short because other people are long winded" is AMAZINGLY more concise than the ramble above.  The problems with decoding your statement include, but are not limited to the following:

"uneducated inhalants"  - no clue what you are talking about

"recalling the events on the table" - I have guessing but not really sure

"relying on the wisdom of the learned" - clause from left field, doesn't seem to add anything

"who is already aware of the events" - again, what events are we talking about

"to a passing intellectual" - I've studied under many intellectuals, including composition, technical writing, legal writing and general communications... not a single one would advocate lengthy, cryptic, and obscure writings.

"inform the person of his lack of knowledge." - apperently you do.  

Please assume we are all utterly retarded.  It is apperent that everyone else is stupid, and you are a genius, so I guess you need to dumb down your posts if you want us "uneducated inhalants" to figure out whatever it is you're trying to say.

I have tried to assist you many times, I give up (again).

[shadows]

CF
Double quote>
{"to a passing intellectual" -?}-- I've studied under many intellectuals, including composition, technical writing, legal writing and general communications... not a single one would advocate lengthy, cryptic, and obscure writings.

We greatly appreciate the advise and information of the diplomas and studies conducted under the intellectuals that we assume now lie on the tables to be used as a table cloth..

Our concerned is based on the number of person that sign up to post their opinions, which we are grossly interested in, that disappear after posting a limited amount of times.  It seems that among the unlearned commoners lie the information that affects the majority of the citizens of Tulsa.  We feel the burden of having to post under the critiquing eyes of the intellectuals off times deny the unlearned a place to express their opinions.  It is written in the archives that all though civilization one class has sought to dominate another.  This has been accomplished through phrase picking to distort the original intent of the opinion..  So be it now.

[waterboy]

We?

I detect some animosity towards intellectual discussion in your post and an inference that common folk can't join the party because of some snobbery or spin on the part of regulars here. Although I share some of that view, you simply must be able to support your arguments IF you want to influence other viewpoints. Otherwise, simply be content to espouse an argument you cannot support. Lots of posters do that (Cubs, Jamesrage come to mind). Hell, I do that too sometimes. Sometimes posters are just comfortable with what they believe and state their views, then find others don't agree and disappear. Maybe they want approval more than exposure to differing viewpoints. So be it.

I don't always understand what you're trying to say as your posts are laced with odd spellings (advice vs advise) and phrases that refer to history or philosophy that I don't always know. Its work. Keep in mind if no one cared, you would get no responses at all.