One week to Pennsylvania Primary

[FOTD]

Accusing me of plagerism is a personal attack when the author is right there in the post.

You are trying to squeeze me off this board through constant personal attacks and lies about my character. Ain't gonna work.
I suggest you just ignore what you don't want to know.

[cannon_fodder]

I'm not trying to squeeze you off this board.  You've been banned at least once before, so it's clear no one is going to squeeze you off.  

You took the entire article wholesale and then stuck in a name at the very end, with no explanation, reason, or direction.  That would not pass as a citation even in middle school.  It does not count as "giving credit" nor does the use of entire article fall under the "fair use" doctrine.

Technically it is NOT plagiarism as no one actually thought it was your own, so I guess it's just copyright infringement or theft.  Which is why i didn't use the word plagiarism in my original post.

Are you too lazy to do what would be the proper course of action and post a commentary on the article, perhaps an excerpt, and then link to it with citation?  If not, then why don't you take the proper course?

[FOTD]

I call bull sheet Cannon Fodder.....picky nonsense in light of the fact I always note my sources except when I must protect them. The author here was recognized but you were confused if the post was humor or serious[}:)]. You just gotta play games because you already petered out and have very little else to do, evidently.

[cannon_fodder]

Honestly, your constant posting of entire articles in a drive-by fashion is just really annoying.  This one just got caught up on the mix.  

We need to hook up for a beer sometime.

[FOTD]

Posting articles from across the globe is done to stimulate not to necessarily emulate me nor fornicate with your head.

They more than often initiate interesting discussions. Sometimes, they are amusing or intriguing. Take what you want and leave the rest.....

Pennsylvania is ancient history today.

[Hometown]

When this fascinating race is over and we have a winner, I hope everyone will remember that it's not about my candidate or your candidate.  It's about bringing the troops home and saving the precious lives of our service people.  I will support our party's candidate with enthusiasm because of the important work we Democrats have to do.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

When this fascinating race is over and we have a winner, I hope everyone will remember that it's not about my candidate or your candidate.  It's about bringing the troops home and saving the precious lives of our service people.  I will support our party's candidate with enthusiasm because of the important work we Democrats have to do.

You know what Hometown, I think you best shut it about your concern about our military and the "precious lives of our service people." After all, a few months ago, while telling us about your "walking the earth" days in the 1970s, you stated the following: "Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."

No truer words from a patriot who really cares about our military. And just so you know, every time you comment about our military, I will remind you of your words.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Here's a startling stat I just learned:

Clinton has to win 71 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to catch up to Obama.

Outside of possibly her former home base of Arkansas, I can't think of a single state in which Clinton won 70 percent.

Also: Clinton has gained a grand total of five pledged delegates since March 4.

Say goodnight, Hillary.

Yep. Penn. yielded Hillary approx. 10 delegate gain...

http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/d_delegateScorecard.shtml

[iplaw]

quote: Obama folk will argue forever that Michigan and Florida don't count. They must think those voters weren't really voting when they went to the polls that day. Obama folk have done everything they can to disenfranchise them, including stopping any new elections.

Oh for the love of God.  I thought only evil republicans disenfranchised voters...

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[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

When this fascinating race is over and we have a winner, I hope everyone will remember that it's not about my candidate or your candidate.  It's about bringing the troops home and saving the precious lives of our service people.  I will support our party's candidate with enthusiasm because of the important work we Democrats have to do.

HT, you are aware that there will be a "peace keeping" force left in Iraq for years after we are "out of there", don't you.  Any candidate who says they are going to bring all the troops home is absolutely full of ****.  Hillary and Obama will conveniently lay that campaign promise off on all of Bush's mistakes once they see the reality of the situation.

Just wait...

Same thing which became of Pelosi and Reid's two years of leadership- nothing.  Tepid partisan politics with the goal of furhter besmirching Bush's legacy.  Hillary isn't interested in talking issues with Obama, especially foreign policy.  Look what happened the last time she tried to buff up on that.  Instead, she's trying to break down the personality cult of Obama, one personal association at a time.

Honestly, I feel if Hillary wins the nomination and then Presidency, we won't see that many changes over Bush, especially in foreign policy.  After all it was Bill and Hillary cheering from the sidelines in the days prior to declaring war on Iraq that there were undoubtedly un-accounted for WMD's the day BC left office.  She's ducked for cover on the issue after voting for the war because she's more interested in gaining power than following her convictions- whatever those are, they do change on a weekly basis.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I still believe Hillary is ahead. Obama folk will argue forever that Michigan and Florida don't count. They must think those voters weren't really voting when they went to the polls that day. Obama folk have done everything they can to disenfranchise them, including stopping any new elections.

Actually, Hillary Clinton held more sway over the DNC than any other candidate for the Democratic nomination and her supporters could easily have pushed for the "50% penalty" called for under party rules... she clearly could have influenced the process, but she didn't...

Fair-Weather Wolverine
Hillary Clinton wants to seat Michigan and Florida delegates. She sang a different tune last year.
By S.V. Dáte
Posted Monday, April 14, 2008, at 3:33 PM ET

http://www.slate.com/id/2188985/

Scarcely a day goes by without Hillary Clinton exhorting fellow Democrats to count every vote—most particularly those cast in the disputed early primaries of Florida and Michigan, which she won. "I don't understand how you can disenfranchise voters in two states you have to try to win" in the general election, she said in Pennsylvania last week. "I don't think that is smart for the Democratic Party." Clinton, of course, has a strategic need to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates, who were denied entry to the nominating convention late last year by the Democratic National Committee after the two states scheduled their primaries earlier than the DNC wished. She needs these delegates to help close her gap with the front-runner, Barack Obama.

It was a different story in October. Back then, Clinton was far and away the national front-runner—by some 20 points in a number of polls. With much less at stake in the matter, she told a New Hampshire public-radio audience, "It's clear, this election [Michigan is] having is not going to count for anything." Clinton was unwilling to take her name off the Michigan primary ballot, as Obama and her other significant rivals did, but like them she agreed not to campaign in Michigan or in Florida before their primaries.

On Aug. 25, when the DNC's rules panel declared Florida's primary date out of order, it agreed by a near-unanimous majority to exceed the 50 percent penalty called for under party rules. Instead, the group stripped Florida of all 210 delegates to underscore its displeasure with Florida's defiance and to discourage other states from following suit. In doing so, the DNC essentially committed itself, for fairness' sake, to strip the similarly defiant Michigan of all 156 of its delegates three months later. Clinton held tremendous potential leverage over this decision, and not only because she was then widely judged the likely nominee. Of the committee's 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters. All of them—most notably strategist Harold Ickes—voted for Florida's full disenfranchisement. (The only dissenting vote was cast by a Tallahassee, Fla., city commissioner who supported Obama.)

Six days later, when the party chairs in the DNC-approved "early" primary states urged Democratic candidates to sign a "four-state pledge" promising not to campaign in any state that violated the DNC calendar, Clinton did not object. She waited, with characteristic prudence, until the other candidates had signed, then signed herself. On Sept. 1, the Clinton campaign issued this ringing statement:

We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar.

Some argue that Hillary had little choice. "She was forced to sign away Florida because her opponents would have used it against her in New Hampshire and Iowa," says Chris Korge, Clinton's Florida finance chair. But even with Michigan and Florida cutting in line, Iowa and New Hampshire still ended up holding their caucus and primary first. Would voters in the latter two states—as opposed to Democratic Party officials—really have cared about how much later Florida and Michigan voted?

In October, after Obama and some of the other candidates withdrew their names from the Michigan ballot, Clinton declined to do the same. Her stated reason, however, was not to dissent from the DNC's decision to disenfranchise wronged Michigan, but rather to mend fences with Michigan voters come November. Besides, Hillary said, there was no reason to remove her name if the results weren't going to count anyway. "I personally did not think it made any difference," she said. At the Dec. 1 meeting of the DNC rules committee, Ickes urged Michigan DNC member Debbie Dingell to put off Michigan's primary to the DNC-sanctioned date of Feb. 5. Dingell refused, arguing that the DNC shouldn't antagonize large states that would be important in the general election just to soothe egos in the early primary states. "It is an example of the message that is sent when Iowa and New Hampshire put guns at the heads of candidates to say that they will not campaign in this state," Dingell complained. Ickes and Clinton's other supporters on the rules committee ignored Dingell's plea and voted to strip Michigan of its delegates.

What a difference four months make. "We all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary," Clinton told NPR last month. "Most people took their names off the ballot, but I didn't." In other words, her refusal constituted a selfless pledge of solidarity with the Wolverine State rather than a tactical decision to seize what in October seemed the minor advantage of a momentum-enhancing likely victory in a Midwestern beauty contest.

Like every candidate except former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, Clinton stayed away from the Florida state convention in October. Irate Democrats stalked Walt Disney World wearing buttons that said, "Size DOES matter," a reference to Florida's large population compared with that of Iowa or New Hampshire. When Michigan subsequently received its penalty, Clinton agreed with the other candidates that she wouldn't visit there, either. It was a decision she had cause to regret as early as Jan. 3, when she lost the Iowa caucus to Obama, coming in third, just behind John Edwards. After ignoring Florida and Michigan for months, the Clinton campaign soon couldn't say enough nice things about them. "Tonight Michigan Democrats spoke loudly for a new beginning," then-campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle exulted over Clinton's victory there on Jan. 15. "Your voices matter. And as president, Hillary Clinton will not only keep listening, but will make sure your voice is always heard."

This was an absurdly celebratory statement given that Clinton's name had been the only one of the major Democratic contenders' that appeared on the Michigan ballot. (Even so, Clinton received only 55 percent of the vote against 40 percent for "uncommitted.") Two weeks later, Clinton herself appeared in South Florida after polls closed on her victory there (50 percent to Obama's 33 percent). "I could not come here to ask in person for your votes," she told the crowd. "I am thrilled to have had this vote of confidence."

Now Clinton feels that a failure to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates would besmirch the democratic process. With Obama ahead on pledged delegates and drawing growing numbers of superdelegates, Clinton will have only a limited ability to affect whether the DNC backs off from its decisions to penalize the two states. Last summer and fall, when the DNC made these decisions, she had a lot more clout. She exercised none of it.

[USRufnex]

Just so you know, RM... Michigan voters can see through Hillary Clinton's BS...

Obama does better against McCain than Clinton in Michigan poll
by Kathy Barks Hoffman | The Associated Press
Monday April 14, 2008, 1:44 PM

http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/04/obama_does_better_against_mcca.html

LANSING, Mich. (AP) -- A new poll shows Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama doing better against Republican John McCain among Michigan voters than Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The poll by Lansing-based EPIC-MRA shows 43 percent of the 600 likely voters polled back Obama, while 41 percent back McCain. Eight percent say they'd vote for independent candidate Ralph Nader, while 8 percent are undecided.

McCain leads Clinton 46 percent to 37 percent. Ten percent say they'd vote for Nader and 7 percent are undecided.

Fifty-nine percent have a favorable opinion of McCain, while 55 percent feel that way about Obama and 45 percent about Clinton.

The poll was conducted April 3-8. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

[spoonbill]

Yeah for Hillary!  Keep on truckin!
Nothing can stop you now!

I admire the Hillary supporters.  That's an optimism rarely seen outside of a casino.  She's running low on cash but myself and others are giving.   We have to keep this crazy train on the track!

Woo! Hoo!  Bill for VP!  Chelsea for Sec. State!

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

When this fascinating race is over and we have a winner, I hope everyone will remember that it's not about my candidate or your candidate.  It's about bringing the troops home and saving the precious lives of our service people.  I will support our party's candidate with enthusiasm because of the important work we Democrats have to do.

You know what Hometown, I think you best shut it about your concern about our military and the "precious lives of our service people." After all, a few months ago, while telling us about your "walking the earth" days in the 1970s, you stated the following: "Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada."

No truer words from a patriot who really cares about our military. And just so you know, every time you comment about our military, I will remind you of your words.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.  They are consistent.  And I'm still waiting for you to stop running away from sharing a little something about yourself.  You have never answered the simple questions I asked you.

We have been at war all of my adult life.  I'm tired of American men and women fighting other people's wars to secure markets for American corporations under the guise of protecting our soil.  I was talking this past week with a man who enlisted and served in Vietnam.  Or actually he was talking and I was agreeing with him.

There is nothing more important on our "to do" list that to stop the squandering of lives.  That's why Democrats will come together before November and defeat you and your crowd.

[iplaw]

HT:

So we went to war with Iraq because the guys and gals at Halliburton were bored?  Here's a nice website you might be interested in www.rense.com