Obama Said What About Our Senator?

[guido911]

It's official! Obama's an idiot. He compared terrorist William Ayers to Tom Coburn during the depate tonight.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2008/04/16/stephanopoulos-quizzes-obama-relationship-member-terrorist-group

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

It's official! Obama's an idiot. He compared terrorist William Ayers to Tom Coburn during the depate tonight.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2008/04/16/stephanopoulos-quizzes-obama-relationship-member-terrorist-group

Okay, I am an idiot for spelling debate incorrectly.

[Conan71]

I said not two weeks ago Ayers was going to be Obama's next big problem to answer to.

Hillary will play stuff like this all the way to Denver.  She's convinced they will be able to show he's not electable come November and they will get a lot of delegates to flip.

I was distracted when that part aired, all I caught was the Coburn comment.  I thought he was comparing his relationship with Coburn to Wright.  I'm glad Stephanopolis had the balls to ask the questions about the flag and Ayers.

I thought Obama seemed shaky and not so polished tonight.  I will give him credit for one thing, I think he has showed more class than Hillary so far in the campaign and has probably had to use a lot of restraint.  It's a good trait in a leader, but now the other shoe is starting to drop on the radicalism which surrounds him.  

Trying to brush off the actions of someone who bombed government institutions as irrelevant is ludicrous.  Ayers should be cooling his heels in Leavenworth for the rest of his life.  Not indoctriniating another generation of radical liberals.

Obama should have pulled a Clinton and lied about knowing Ayers.  "Well now, that all depends on what your definition of terrorist is."

[FOTD]

Problem to answer to? Conan, answer to you? It's all about your issues of gun control, terrorism, liberalism and flag waving.

Shouldn't the focus be on the economy, the war, and the health care crisis? Global warming? Diplomacy? What about energy? We could have a discussion about limiting the ability of lobbyists to manipulate legislation. We could talk about earmarks ...something that rubbed off onto Obama from his Senator Coburn relatiomship?[]

Yes, he admits a close connection to our Senator on this issue. Do you think those on the left worry about that? 40 years ago Obama was 8. I don't think he associated with radicals in the 60's nor befriends any from today. Nothing indicates these liberal/radical labels you throw out on Obama fit.[]

Looks like Bruce thinks the same as many Americans:http://thepage.time.com/statement-from-bruce-springsteen/
 "At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships. While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision, so well described in his excellent book, Dreams of My Father, often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues: war and peace, the fight for economic and racial justice, reaffirming our Constitution, and the protection and enhancement of our environment."

Same song, second verse.
It's more of the same politics from those that put us where we are today. It won't float this time.

"Sniff....sniff..."

[waterboy]

I feel so dirty after visiting that crappy website. Shudder...

Geez, Obama is friendly with another American who has radical views? And another one who was a sixties radical? Imagine that. I am friendly with a man who grew and sold marijuana in the sixties. He doesn't use, sell or grow now but still thinks drug laws are insane. But then I also have a friend who is a lifelong NRA member and believes the solution to AIDS is banishment to island colonies. I enjoy their strongly held disparate views which so differ from my own. Both are Americans, who have a right to espouse their views without each of us being considered untouchable.

Unless I ever want to run for office when I will then have to explain to the Hannity's of the world why I chose to be friendly with people who differ from the norm.

[Hometown]

I missed the debate but if something critical was said about Coburn I have to say I don't know why Coburn hasn't already been removed from office.  Coburn is the absolute bottom of the barrel.  He is a poisonous and dangerous demagogue.  And we saw fit to send him to Washington.

[cannon_fodder]

HT, I agree with you - on social issues the man is horrible.  BUT, I give him credit for being the only person in the District to stand up against ear marks and pork barreling.  Kind of a catch-22 for me, since nearly anyone elected from Oklahoma will disagree with me on social issues.

I missed the comment, I'll try to see it later.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Problem to answer to? Conan, answer to you?
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Moi, personally?  No.  As one of millions of American voters, yes.

He's got a problem on his hands, brush it off all you like, image elects.  People candidates associate with can make or break them.  When we elect someone for President we also elect their known and sometimes unknown associatses as advisors.  

Why is that an important consideration for a man like you?  Bushco?  Busheviks?  Neocons?  Who will be pushing the buttons of the next President, and what are their influences?  That's important information to know.

Think about how bad Jerry Brown's popularity faded in 1992 after he announced he would consider Je$$e Jack$on as a running mate in front of a crowd of New York Jews.  Prior to that, he had great numbers in New York and had kept up a pretty close campaign with Clinton I.

[rwarn17588]

<cf wrote:

BUT, I give him credit for being the only person in the District to stand up against ear marks and pork barreling.

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That's a good point that only goes so far.

But for all of Coburn's supposed fiscal responsibility, it's hypocrisy to the extreme for him to have been a supporter for a war that's going to cost taxpayers more than $1 trillion -- a war that's going badly against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 that has set up a ruling government which is a satellite of Iran.

Earmarks is a relative drop in the bucket of the federal budget. With Iraq, you're talking about big, big money.

At least Coburn admitted a few weeks ago that the war was "probably a mistake."

Back to the main point: I have no problem with Obama's comment. It simply illustrates that he'll listen to a diverse bunch of voices and perhaps cherry-pick a good idea or two from them. But he made it clear that he wouldn't be a wholesale supporter of extremists or fringies.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588
But he made it clear that he wouldn't be a wholesale supporter of extremists or fringies.

I have been appropriately been called both.

I want a fringies party. We may be unelectable, but our conventions will be great television.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I missed the debate but if something critical was said about Coburn I have to say I don't know why Coburn hasn't already been removed from office.  Coburn is the absolute bottom of the barrel.  He is a poisonous and dangerous demagogue.  And we saw fit to send him to Washington.

Homey, that's Inhofe you describe. Coburn reminds me of Goldwater. Someday, Tom Coburn will be a masterful Senator. His stance on earmarks is commendable. That is why Obama sides with him.

[Hometown]

That's it.  FOTD you have now joined Double A in the category of "If Lyndon LaRouche can call himself a Democrat, you can too."

On a scale from 1-10 with 10 being totally hopeless.

Coburn 14
Inhofe 10

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

That's it.  FOTD you have now joined Double A in the category of "If Lyndon LaRouche can call himself a Democrat, you can too."

On a scale from 1-10 with 10 being totally hopeless.

Coburn 14
Inhofe 10

So sorry you see it that way Homey. I can't stand the abuse Congress deals out in the form of entitlements. I don't think Lyndon La Rouche knows what they are....

[iplaw]

quote:
But for all of Coburn's supposed fiscal responsibility, it's hypocrisy to the extreme for him to have been a supporter for a war that's going to cost taxpayers more than $1 trillion -- a war that's going badly against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 that has set up a ruling government which is a satellite of Iran.

Peter, hold on to that thought because I'm gonna explain to you when we get home all the things that are wrong with that statement...

No war for oil!

[USRufnex]

Hmmm... so Sean Hannity is now using George Stephanolpoulos as his sockpuppet to the benefit of Hillary Clinton... fascinating.

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MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: [On] the general theme of patriotism in your relationships. A gentleman named William Ayers, he was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol and other buildings. He's never apologized for that. And in fact, on 9/11 he was quoted in The New York Times saying, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."

An early organizing meeting for your state senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said you are friendly. Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?

SEN. OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about.

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.

The fact is, is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.

Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those either.

So this kind of game, in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, is somehow — somehow their ideas could be attributed to me — I think the American people are smarter than that. They're not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn't.

SEN. CLINTON: Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.

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