Democratic Primary Exhaustion Thread

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Gasp!  O supporters were pissed off at the moderators last night.  If I was O I'd be pissed off too.  How DARE they expect me to answer direct questions and then demand an answer when I don't give a response that's on point!

If he can't handle what he got last night I feel sorry for him when he's really under fire.

At least the Clinton camp doesn't go around pissing and moaning about how dey witty feewings were hurt last night.

You assume the responses were from obama supporters?

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Gasp!  O supporters were pissed off at the moderators last night.  If I was O I'd be pissed off too.  How DARE they expect me to answer direct questions and then demand an answer when I don't give a response that's on point!

If he can't handle what he got last night I feel sorry for him when he's really under fire.

At least the Clinton camp doesn't go around pissing and moaning about how dey witty feewings were hurt last night.

Looked like he handled it just fine to me...

[iplaw]

Can you say luck guess?  O supporters are the only ones that frequent these smear sites anymore.  Clinton got bit in the donkey a few months ago by one of these smear sites like huffinton and most of her people disengaged from these blogs completely.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Gasp!  O supporters were pissed off at the moderators last night.  If I was O I'd be pissed off too.  How DARE they expect me to answer direct questions and then demand an answer when I don't give a response that's on point!

If he can't handle what he got last night I feel sorry for him when he's really under fire.

At least the Clinton camp doesn't go around pissing and moaning about how dey witty feewings were hurt last night.

Looked like he handled it just fine to me...

I'm sure it did to you.  For the rest of us watching without our rose colored glasses on it looked unimpressive to say the least.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Gasp!  O supporters were pissed off at the moderators last night.  If I was O I'd be pissed off too.  How DARE they expect me to answer direct questions and then demand an answer when I don't give a response that's on point!

If he can't handle what he got last night I feel sorry for him when he's really under fire.

At least the Clinton camp doesn't go around pissing and moaning about how dey witty feewings were hurt last night.

Looked like he handled it just fine to me...

I'm sure it did to you.  For the rest of us watching without our rose colored glasses on it looked unimpressive to say the least.

Rose colored glasses - nice one.  Haven't heard that one before.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Gasp!  O supporters were pissed off at the moderators last night.  If I was O I'd be pissed off too.  How DARE they expect me to answer direct questions and then demand an answer when I don't give a response that's on point!

If he can't handle what he got last night I feel sorry for him when he's really under fire.

At least the Clinton camp doesn't go around pissing and moaning about how dey witty feewings were hurt last night.

Looked like he handled it just fine to me...

I'm sure it did to you.  For the rest of us watching without our rose colored glasses on it looked unimpressive to say the least.

Rose colored glasses - nice one.  Haven't heard that one before.

Yeah.  It's as trite and old as a democrat who can't who can't admit when their candidate stinks on ice in a debate.  He'd best step it up before the real fireworks begin.

[Conan71]

Calling that a "debate" was a stretch to begin with.  That was more of a "forum".

[FOTD]

O will shame McSame in the main debates.....
McSame will have few meaningful bullets.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

O will shame McSame in the main debates.....
McSame will have few meaningful bullets.

That's about the 10th time you've said that today.  You must be squirming at this point after last night.

The worst news for O is that a good majority of his support comes from people like you and the rest of the hate spewers at the dailykos and their ilk.

Corny names and misplaced analogies don't work in big boy politics.

[FOTD]

POOR STUPID AMERICANS! THEY TRULY THOUGHT THE DEBATE WOULD DEAL WITH ISSUES OF
'SUBSTANCE' SUCH AS:
1. America's loss of its CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS & CIVIL LIBERTIES to BUSH!
2. The currently DISASTEROUS Housing Foreclosure impact on the Economy & Nation!
3. How the 'SUBPRIME FIASCO' evolved & wasn't STOPPED BEFORE it killed DREAMS!
4. What should happen to BUSH'S NEXT REQUEST FOR 'WAR FUNDS'?
5. What is 'VICTORY' in the never-ending 'WAR ON TERROR' & 'WAR ON DRUGS?'

ABC News Presidential Debate Scores an "F"
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/6763/1/329/
"Why can't a televised debate foster serious discussions about the issues, rather than promoting racist divisiveness and slash and burn hostility?"

ABC'S approach was purposefully 'unprofessional' and 'incompetent'!

[USRufnex]

I've always thought Charles Gibson was a bumbling idiot... oh goody, more media soundbites, gaffes, gotcha games, phony  issues... yeah, George Stephanopoulis's and ABC's attempt at being "fair and balanced"...

People are sick of it.... they really are.

BARACK OBAMA:

"They like stirring up controversy and they like playing gotcha games, getting us to attack each other," he said. "Senator Clinton looked in her element. She was taking every opportunity to get a dig in there. That's her right to kind of twist the knife a little bit ... that's the lesson she learned when Republicans did it to her in the 1990s."

"Last night I think we set a new record because it took us 45 minutes before we even started talking about a single issue that matters to the American people," Obama told the North Carolina crowd. "Forty-five minutes before we heard about health care, 45 minutes before we heard about Iraq, 45 minutes before we heard about jobs, 45 minutes before we heard about gas prices."

From The Guardian:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/niall_stanage/2008/04/the_dumbest_debate_in_america.html

The dumbest debate in America?

US elections 08: The hosts on last night's ABC Democratic debate were shameful: don't they realise America is sick of their junk food?

Niall Stanage

What is it about Philadelphia? The city last month hosted one of the most impressive moments of the presidential campaign to date: Barack Obama's forthright speech on race. But last night, the very same venue - the National Constitution Centre - witnessed one of the worst events: the dismal ABC News debate between the Democratic candidates.

The contrast could hardly have been starker. Obama's March 18 speech was sophisticated, honest and, above all, respectful of the intelligence of his audience. Last night's debate - or, more specifically, the performance of its moderators, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos - was by turns superficial and disingenuous.

The trouble started early. Gibson began with an utterly fatuous inquiry about whether each candidate would pledge to ask the other to be their vice-presidential nominee if they won, and agree to accept the veep slot if they lost. Tired questions about the Jeremiah Wright affair and Obama's remarks regarding voters in Midwestern states who "cling" to religion and social issues followed.

About half the time set aside for the debate had elapsed - and seven flimsy or already-exhausted issues had been raised - before the first serious question of the night, about troop withdrawals from Iraq, was asked.

The relentless triviality was only one problem, however. The more serious failing was the willingness of Gibson and Stephanopoulos to volunteer as water-carriers for a conservative attack machine that, fearful of Obama's crossover appeal, is already working overtime to tarnish his reputation.

Gibson placed ABC's imprimatur on one of the more obviously silly stories - the suggestion that Obama's disinclination to wear a stars and stripes flag pin could render him unelectable.

"As you may know, it is all over the internet," Gibson intoned earnestly, as if hoping this might absolve him from any responsibility for raising such a gaseous point during a critical prime-time debate.

"I have never said that I don't wear flag pins or refuse to wear flag pins," Obama - who had, in fact, donned such a pin when it was given to him by a veteran on Tuesday - said in response.

"This is the kind of manufactured issue that our politics has become obsessed with and, once again, distracts us from what should be my job when I'm commander in chief, which is going to be figuring out how we get our troops out of Iraq and how we actually make our economy better for the American people."

That response provoked the audience to break the night's ground rules by bursting into applause. But Stephanopoulos, undaunted, immediately took up the baton to investigate what he absurdly categorised as "the general theme of patriotism" - or supposed lack thereof - in Obama's personal life.

One would have thought Stephanopoulos might have acquired some perceptiveness about the methods of rightwing smear merchants in his previous job as a senior advisor in Bill Clinton's White House. Apparently not.

Having already asked Obama a risible question about his former pastor ("Do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?"), Stephanopoulos now pressed him on his "relationship" with Bill Ayers.

Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois and a fixture on the liberal edges of Chicago's political scene. As such, it is hardly surprising that one local meet'n'greet, when Obama was beginning his run for the Illinois state senate took place at Ayers' house. The two men also served together on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago for a time. Ayers, however, is also a former member of the Weather Underground, and remains unapologetic about that organisation's crimes.

When his name surfaced in February, Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod was asked about the two men's relationship.

"Bill Ayers lives in his neighbourhood," Axelrod told Politico.com's Ben Smith. "Their kids attend the same school. They're certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together [would]."

In fact, Axelrod had his facts slightly askew. Though Ayers' children had once attended the same school as Obama's daughters, they had left before the much younger Obama girls began.

The quote was nevertheless fairly innocuous in context. But it has been pared down in the more Obamaphobic parts of the blogosphere to one word: friendly. From that, all manner of bizarre theories about Obama's alleged sympathies for Ayers have been extrapolated.

The febrile hypothesising had been confined to the farthest fringes of the national conversation until Fox News' Sean Hannity lent his weight to the cause. Hannity has done his best to amplify the issue on radio and TV.

There is, of course, no evidence whatsoever that Obama harbours even a smidgen of sympathy for Ayers' radicalism or the Weather Underground's worldview. And, more generally, if the views of every person with whom a presidential candidate has ever interacted are to be judged as possible disqualifiers from office, America's political future would look very impoverished indeed.

Obama struggled to restrain his frustration when Stephanopoulos injected the phoney issue into the debate.

"The notion that ... me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George," the Illinois senator noted dryly.

When a presidential debate in a nation roiled by two wars, an economic crisis and a seven-year onslaught on civil liberties revolves around questions about flag pins and casual friends, it would be easy to despair.

But there are reasons to believe that Obama's claim last night - "the American people are smarter than that" - may be proven true this year.

His thoughtful response to the Wright controversy last month stopped his poll decline dead in its tracks and restored his dominant position over Clinton. Despite the media hubbub over his "cling" remarks, the most recent polls suggest the furor has had virtually no effect.

And, most encouragingly of all, the public response to last night's awful performance by the debate moderators was immediate and vociferous. As heckling erupted at the debate's end, Gibson smiled wanly and said, "The crowd is turning on me." Within three hours of the debate's end, the ABC News website had received over 7,600 comments about the evening's events. The overwhelming majority were negative.

Stephanopoulos and Gibson deserve every bit of opprobrium being thrown their way. They delivered a noxious blend of smear, innuendo and diversion.

But it looks like the same old political junk food no longer satisfies an electorate hungry for real change.

[Conan71]

I don't see how anyone could come away from watching the forum last night and honestly say the media doesn't exercize bias when it suits them.  

I'm not sure if they stacked it for Hillary because a Sr. exec at Disney or ABC wants her to be President, or if they are wanting this circus to continue on for another five months to Denver so it will keep attention on it and therefore ad revenue.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I don't see how anyone could come away from watching the forum last night and honestly say the media doesn't exercize bias when it suits them.  

I'm not sure if they stacked it for Hillary because a Sr. exec at Disney or ABC wants her to be President, or if they are wanting this circus to continue on for another five months to Denver so it will keep attention on it and therefore ad revenue.

You sure read different after the evening news.....you're not watching Countdown these days are you? That would be out of character Conan.

[we vs us]

Seriously, y'all.  Can we keep the FOTD-against-the-world on one thread maybe?  These personal attacks are stinking up the entire politics forum.

[shadows]

One when watching the bias being displayed is preempted by the McCain/Rice ticket possibility that will include gender, race, and war time experience in the present war time environment.  Next thing to watch is what is back of the smoke screen. The campaigning has not even begun.