JOHN McCAIN FOR PRESIDENT!

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

A little swft boating McCain and all I get is two minor calling outs?

Landslide.....

the call out wasn't on the issue, but your presentation of the issue.  As far as calling landslide, given the fact that these forums are primarily visited by dem's (from what I have seen), then of course you wouldn't get much of a debate on the issue, especially since the hot talk right now are the Primes.  Besides, as I said, nobody is going to take even half the time to read your spam as you did tracking it all down.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

A little swft boating McCain and all I get is two minor calling outs?

Landslide.....

given the fact that these forums are primarily visited by dem's (from what I have seen), then of course you wouldn't get much of a debate on the issue,

That's humorous. This forum is predominantly Republican, Independent and Libertarian, just like Tulsa. Its a rare thing to find folks as liberal as FOTD or even admitting being a Democrat in Tulsa. I would bet there are no more than a half dozen active Democrats on this forum(actually both Democratic registration AND voted Democratic in the recent past.)

Careful calling stuff "facts" based on what you have seen for a short period of time.

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

A little swft boating McCain and all I get is two minor calling outs?

Landslide.....

given the fact that these forums are primarily visited by dem's (from what I have seen), then of course you wouldn't get much of a debate on the issue,

That's humorous. This forum is predominantly Republican, Independent and Libertarian, just like Tulsa. Its a rare thing to find folks as liberal as FOTD or even admitting being a Democrat in Tulsa. I would bet there are no more than a half dozen active Democrats on this forum(actually both Democratic registration AND voted Democratic in the recent past.)

Careful calling stuff "facts" based on what you have seen for a short period of time.

I did say from what i've seen.  Most of the posts I've seen on the political forums tend to have a democratic stance on things.  This would lead me to belief (perhaps quiet erroniously)that dems are in the majority here.  However, I did not take into account that with the primaries going on, with the republicans done with, that it would be mainly democrats that would be paying more attention to these forums, thus giving the illusion of a higher Dem count.  I have been wrong in the past, and will be wrong in the future, and I will always admit when I am wrong, or just plain ignorant, on an issue.

[FOTD]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/30/la-times-john-mccain-has_n_104407.html

McCaint sold his soul to the devil.....I know. My friend told me so.....

[FOTD]

Giving our heroes the shaft is John McSame
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/290219

Edward Humes: McCain consistently fails to back veterans

"The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations."

"McCain's rationalization for opposing the bill may not hold water, but his stance makes perfect sense in light of his record. From 2004 to 2006, the Disabled Veterans of America gave him annual scores ranging from 50 percent to 20 percent on supporting the group's legislative priorities. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave him a grade of D in its most recent analysis of voting records. The American Legion says he is dead wrong on the GI Bill, as does the Veterans of Foreign Wars."

"It is certainly true that McCain's affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road."


Once again, no surprises here from McBush!
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McBush.-20F.htm

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Giving our heroes the shaft is John McSame
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/290219

Edward Humes: McCain consistently fails to back veterans

"The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations."

"McCain's rationalization for opposing the bill may not hold water, but his stance makes perfect sense in light of his record. From 2004 to 2006, the Disabled Veterans of America gave him annual scores ranging from 50 percent to 20 percent on supporting the group's legislative priorities. The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave him a grade of D in its most recent analysis of voting records. The American Legion says he is dead wrong on the GI Bill, as does the Veterans of Foreign Wars."

"It is certainly true that McCain's affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road."


Once again, no surprises here from McBush!
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/election2008/ig/Election-Funny-Pictures/McBush.-20F.htm

Well that was easy.  All I had to do was go to THOMAS (The Library of Congress database) and read the Webb Bill.

It's a good bill for veterans.  In a nut shell, it pays 90% of college tuition and 100% of housing to veterans that serve 3 years military service.

The problem he had with the bill, and it is very justified, is that the bill covers all veterans without respect to rank or merit.  It is simply an entitlement bill.  

It also covers tuition regardless of what public or private institution or monetary amount.  So veterans that want to attend private schools could be educated to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars for only 3 years of service.  In addition they receive full housing reimbursement.

And the biggest problem with the bill is that (Section C, Subchapter II) allows individuals enlisted for less than the 36 months, who are discharged for mental, or medical reasons unrelated to military service to receive the same benefits.

This is a loop hole that is currently abused by people to receive military benefits.

It is a multi-billion dollar flawed bill.  It has a good mission but costly flaws.

If I want tuition to Harvard I can enlist, and then have a mental breakdown, or get pregnant leading to a discharge.  The government would then pay me $94,458 for tuition, $36,000 for housing, $3,000 for books, and additional funding for food, tutoring, plus what they call "Administrative Provisions."

I would like to see a bill like this, but it would need to be linked to merit (liberal bad word), and have the loopholes closed.   The tuition limits would also need to be linked to national averages with a cap.

Average citizen reading legislation rather than relying on "Amico del diavolo's" hype.

[FOTD]

Terrible example.

You have to qualify to get into Harvard. You make it sound automatic. Most young people with the choice of military duty will not qualify for college entrance requirements.

The purpose of this legislation was to attract more young people into our military which is having big problems growing itself other than spending us into the stratosphere.

'Anything Not to Go Back'
http://www.newsweek.com/id/140478

"There are some soldiers who will do almost anything not to go back," she says. Col. Elspeth Ritchie, the Army's top psychologist, agrees that we could see an uptick in intentional injuries as more U.S. soldiers serve long, repeated combat tours, "but we just don't have good, hard data on it."

These creeps over the last 8 years have ruined our military stamina and drive.....


Glad my kids won't be facing the draft.....

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Terrible example.

Most young people with the choice of military duty will not qualify for college entrance requirements.

You have to qualify to get into any college.  I understand that.

Your statement about "most young people with the choice of military duty" is atrocious!

Are you saying that only stupid people join the military?

Unique glimpse into the liberal mind.

I had the honor to go to high-school with many young men and women that joined the military because they wanted to serve their country, see the world, or do great things, not because they couldn't get into college.

I then went to college with many who I had a great deal of respect and even envy for because they had seen the world, done great things, and served their country.

I can't even think of how to rebut your statement.  Disgusting!

[cannon_fodder]

quote: Staff Sgt. Jessie Jelks, "I don't have to sell the Marines. They know what they want when they step in the door."

That may be why the Marine Corps is smashing enlistment records, even as a long and unpopular war makes military service a hard sell.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-marinerecruiting_09tex.ART.State.Edition2.46df519.html

quote:He pointed out that high re-enlistment rates are helping alleviate the war-zone demand because many of those re-upping are requesting to return to the war zone.

"We have senior NCOs who are reaching retirement dates and requesting to go to deploying units. There are a lot of infantry soldiers who are trying to get back into the fight again," Col. Blocker said.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/06/army_deployequity_060708w/

Random snippets mean nothing.  This entire thread's only worth is to show that you have too much time to post to yourself and that you are only interested in one side of any issue.  So long as you can find a source that says exactly what you want it to say it doesn't matter how biased or just whack job it is, it's right!

Shouldn't you be posting a new "twoof" conspiracy sometime soon?

Oh, and by the way, it's harder to get into West Point than Harvard.  So I'd say at least SOME recruits qualify for college with flying colors.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Terrible example.

Most young people with the choice of military duty will not qualify for college entrance requirements.

You have to qualify to get into any college.  I understand that.

Your statement about "most young people with the choice of military duty" is atrocious!

Are you saying that only stupid people join the military?

Unique glimpse into the liberal mind.

No. You rearranged my wording to fit what you want it to say. I never meant stupid. Only reactionaries frame it in that way to cover for their own inadequacies.

The less fortunate in this country were afforded the option of serving in our military. In return, if they survived the government gave them a hand up. In the future, it does not appear McSameco would back that incentive. The priority appears to be with the arms manufacturers and not our vets.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:
I propose we cure cancer and kill all the Jews.

McCain: I can not support that proposition.

FOTD: Why do you hate cancer patients?
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Get the point?

You'll do or say anything if you think it will fool one idiot into believing you.  Source credibility, context, or presenting the entire argument means nothing.  Move along...

[FOTD]

Obama: Windfall profits tax

Cannon Fodder: Why do you hate oily people?

[FOTD]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aT1qU1jZD5ZU&refer=home

McCain Aide Says Bush Knows Little About Economy (Update1)

"A Bloomberg News analysis of McCain's budget, which was released in April, shows it would increase the national debt by $1.8 trillion over eight years. Groups such as the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the Tax Policy Center, both based in Washington, estimate the cost to be even higher.

McCain, 71, has been attempting to separate himself from the unpopular current president, whose approval rating is hovering near 30 percent in most polls, as the presidential race against Obama heats up. "


Those repiglicans are starting to canabilize their young in order to win an election.

[FOTD]

building a dossier and this info helps....

Keep an eye on this thread.....over time, John McSame will look like a donkey. Not that he doesn't already.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/11/mccain-cheney-hell-yeah/

McCain On Whether Cheney Might Serve In His Administration: 'Hell, Yeah'»

As Vice President Dick Cheney makes the rounds on "the GOP's rubber chicken circuit" these days to raise funds for conservative candidates, he always implores his audiences "to make sure that we elect John McCain the 44th President of the United States." But worried about being labeled a third Bush term, the McCain campaign has made strides to distance the candidate from Cheney by blasting "Vice President Cheney's energy bill."

But before Cheney became a political albatross, McCain overflowed with kind things to say about him. In fact, in July 2004, McCain described Cheney as one of the best vice presidents ever:

At a July 15 appearance in Michigan, McCain dampened the speculation by calling Cheney "one of the most capable, experienced, intelligent and steady vice presidents this country has ever had."

In interviews for Stephen Hayes' 2007 biography of Cheney, McCain "strongly" asserted that Cheney "has been of enormous help to this president of the United States." Politico's Jonathan Martin reports today that in unpublished comments to Hayes, McCain also said he would consider Cheney for a post in his administration:

Going further, McCain even told Hayes in comments heretofore unpublished that he'd consider Cheney for an administration post.

Asked whether he'd be interested in Cheney had the vice president not already have served under Bush for two terms, McCain said: "I don't know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah."

Though the McCain campaign told Martin that "John McCain will always treat the vice president with respect," they also refused to say whether they would have Cheney speak at the Republican National Convention. "No decisions have been made on the program yet," said a McCain aide.

Landslide....look out!

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD


Keep an eye on this thread.....over time, John McSame will look like a donkey. Not that he doesn't already.

Um. . .Oh, never mind.

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