TCC Bond Issue Vote 5-13-08

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I was going to vote no. The $76 million dollars it will raise is almost the same amount of money we could use to build a new baseball stadium and hotels for downtown. I thought that four campuses was enough and didn't feel they needed a new one in Owasso when the Northest campus is 6 miles from their downtown. The personal impact to my property taxes is going to be over ten dollars a month.

Then I read that friendly bear was against it because it was some conspiracy by the ruling families and it had something to do with bananas and vampires.

I like rulers, families and bananas and don't believe in vampires. So now, I am for it.

Just block his posts.  He's sociopathic and has never brightened my day, so I e-ignore him.

Good point.  I think he makes some wise points on the TCC issue, but then feels like he needs to go off on the crazy black helicopter stuff while he has our attention.  It would be better just to stick to the issue here.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I was going to vote no. The $76 million dollars it will raise is almost the same amount of money we could use to build a new baseball stadium and hotels for downtown. I thought that four campuses was enough and didn't feel they needed a new one in Owasso when the Northest campus is 6 miles from their downtown. The personal impact to my property taxes is going to be over ten dollars a month.

Then I read that friendly bear was against it because it was some conspiracy by the ruling families and it had something to do with bananas and vampires.

I like rulers, families and bananas and don't believe in vampires. So now, I am for it.

Just block his posts.  He's sociopathic and has never brightened my day, so I e-ignore him.

Good point.  I think he makes some wise points on the TCC issue, but then feels like he needs to go off on the crazy black helicopter stuff while he has our attention.  It would be better just to stick to the issue here.

Helicopters?

Who said Helicopters?

Are they BLACK helicopters?

I think RecycleMichael actually was the Poster who brought up Black Helicopters on another Topic in this Discussion Forum.

No me.  Sorry.

Where's my Tin Foil cap?

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[cannon_fodder]

FB, you don't know what you're talking about. Other than road funding, health care facilities, government jobs, full State Universities, toll-free highways, community colleges and an NBA franchise - Tulsa isn't force to subsidize that much in Oklahoma City.

Wait, crap.  Nm. [xx(]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

FB, you don't know what you're talking about. Other than road funding, health care facilities, government jobs, full State Universities, toll-free highways, community colleges and an NBA franchise - Tulsa isn't force to subsidize that much in Oklahoma City.

Wait, crap.  Nm. [xx(]

Oklahoma City also seems to get much more than a equal share of FEDERAL government jobs, too.  Like FAA. Tinker.

Wonder WHY?

Regarding Tulsa's disproportionate funding our OUR Junior College vs. Oklahoma City's paltry contribution, you probably noticed Michael Bates' analysis in his Urban Tulsa weekly column:

http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A21057

I thought this was an interesting point:

"TCC is one of only three community colleges supported by local property taxes. The other two, Rose State College in Midwest City and Oklahoma City Community College, are both in Oklahoma County.

"TCC taxpayers nearly match the state's contribution to TCC's annual budget -- $31 million in local property taxes to $37 million in state appropriations.

"Oklahoma County patrons, as usual, get off easy: The ratio of local support to state appropriation is only 12% for OCCC and 7% for Rose State. Tulsa always seems to pay for what Oklahoma City gets cheap or for free."

That's the unique Tulsa PREMIUM I've commented on ad infinitum.  Some detractors would say Ad Nauseum.

[zstyles]

This was just sent to my email box from the Tulsa Mini Chamber..

Workforce Attraction Focus of TCC Works
Vote this Tuesday, May 13

On Tuesday, May 13, a bond option will appear on a special election ballot and Tulsa County voters will have the opportunity to vote for facility improvements at all four Tulsa Community College campuses, expand the college#146;s programs and services and create new job opportunities throughout the region. Education prepares the workforce of tomorrow, and with the increasing demand to fill jobs in the Tulsa region, TCC continues to provide quality education to more than 27,000 students annually - a resource to secure economic growth in Tulsa.

Young professionals are encouraged to show strength at the polls which reflects your interest in the future of the region. TYPros would like to encourage you to visit the polls on May 13 and cast your vote, whatever your opinion.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by zstyles

This was just sent to my email box from the Tulsa Mini Chamber..

Workforce Attraction Focus of TCC Works
Vote this Tuesday, May 13

On Tuesday, May 13, a bond option will appear on a special election ballot and Tulsa County voters will have the opportunity to vote for facility improvements at all four Tulsa Community College campuses, expand the college#146;s programs and services and create new job opportunities throughout the region. Education prepares the workforce of tomorrow, and with the increasing demand to fill jobs in the Tulsa region, TCC continues to provide quality education to more than 27,000 students annually - a resource to secure economic growth in Tulsa.

Young professionals are encouraged to show strength at the polls which reflects your interest in the future of the region. TYPros would like to encourage you to visit the polls on May 13 and cast your vote, whatever your opinion.

dude, the same lobby cronies who were behind the river tax are behind this one.  ALl of their backs must be raw from so much scratching.  The "leader" of my company sent out a "me too" email like I'm sure lots of other Kaiserturd followers have too.

FB is right, there is a huge cartel of these tax me more mother****ers in midtown that have a huge network of "vote like me" email drones out there.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by gary

What does these people think we are made of??? With the price of gas food and other bills,im having a very very hard time feeding and housing my family!!! Im so sick of these money hungery pigs in pubic office making all these bs plans to them richer and the working people more poor!!! I have a plan to fix it, fire every damn one of them and start over!!! The new mayor will punch a time card and get 15 an hour and no work no pay and that goes for the rest of them from the top of the list to the bottom! Im sorry folks I would love to vote yes but I will vote NO this time.

You do know that is $15/hr more than the Mayor makes now, right?

Also, assuming you live in a house that costs $100,000 or less, this is $2 a month.

P.S. "Pubic Office" made me giggle.

Da Mare makes 103,000 dollars a year, she mysteriously does not accept the salary somehow. As shadows suggests, Charter be damned. The fact that she claims to save the city money by not accepting the salary while ballooning the bureaucracy in her majesty's court and repeatedly raising Tulsa's utility rates,  regressively impacting at-risk Tulsans the most, to balance the budget while our suburban neighbors do not share in the increased burden with a straight face is disgustingly shameful. It is an outright insult to the intelligence of Tulsans.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I was going to vote no. The $76 million dollars it will raise is almost the same amount of money we could use to build a new baseball stadium and hotels for downtown. I thought that four campuses was enough and didn't feel they needed a new one in Owasso when the Northest campus is 6 miles from their downtown. The personal impact to my property taxes is going to be over ten dollars a month.

Then I read that friendly bear was against it because it was some conspiracy by the ruling families and it had something to do with bananas and vampires.

I like rulers, families and bananas and don't believe in vampires. So now, I am for it.

No wonder Spincycle is a staunch supporter of bloated, bureaucratic, banana republic style, local government? Make $ense, since it's served da Family LLC so succe$$fully.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by zstyles

This was just sent to my email box from the Tulsa Mini Chamber..

Workforce Attraction Focus of TCC Works
Vote this Tuesday, May 13

On Tuesday, May 13, a bond option will appear on a special election ballot and Tulsa County voters will have the opportunity to vote for facility improvements at all four Tulsa Community College campuses, expand the college#146;s programs and services and create new job opportunities throughout the region. Education prepares the workforce of tomorrow, and with the increasing demand to fill jobs in the Tulsa region, TCC continues to provide quality education to more than 27,000 students annually - a resource to secure economic growth in Tulsa.

Young professionals are encouraged to show strength at the polls which reflects your interest in the future of the region. TYPros would like to encourage you to visit the polls on May 13 and cast your vote, whatever your opinion.

dude, the same lobby cronies who were behind the river tax are behind this one.  ALl of their backs must be raw from so much scratching.  The "leader" of my company sent out a "me too" email like I'm sure lots of other Kaiserturd followers have too.

FB is right, there is a huge cartel of these tax me more mother****ers in midtown that have a huge network of "vote like me" email drones out there.

The Vote YES PAC "Citizens for TCC" needs some education themselves about our local city ordinance concerning the placement of SIGNS in the city Right-of-Way.

RecycleMichael, why haven't you educated the Citizens for TCC Tax Vampires that it is against the LAW to place their signs in the city right of way??

Over the weekend, I saw a number of TCC Works signs populating our city right-of-way.

And, today, akin to a new crop of evil toadstools strewn overnight by nefarious ghouls and goblins, I suddenly discover along the main arterials streets that I drive to work, TCC Works signs all along the City Right-of-Way, right next to the curb.

Why can't people just obey the LAW?

Educate them, RecycleMichael.  Aren't you still leading the local anti-Sign Gestapo?

Oh, you're waiting until AFTER the election to tell them?

Figures.

[:O]

[sgrizzle]

Is anyone here actually voting FOR this?

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A
No wonder Spincycle is a staunch supporter of bloated, bureaucratic, banana republic style, local government? Make $ense, since it's served da Family LLC so succe$$fully.

Drat. I've been exposed.

Yes. In exchange for my vote, my kids will be offered free tuition upon graduation from a Tulsa high school.

Now all we have to do is make sure:

My kids must live in Tulsa County and graduate from high school with a 2.0 GPA or better on a 4.0 scale. Students must meet the following criteria to remain a Tulsa Achieves scholar while at TCC:

maintain good academic standing (2.0 GPA or higher), enroll continuously each fall and spring semester (summer optional), complete a financial aid application (FAFSA) each year, and provide 40 hours of community service per academic year.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Educate them, RecycleMichael.  Aren't you still leading the local anti-Sign Gestapo?

I haven't seen many signs for or against the campaign.

Yes. Illegal signs bad.

[TeeDub]

I hadn't realized TCC had gotten so expensive.

$85.45 + fees per credit hour.

You might as well go to a real school for those kind of prices.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Educate them, RecycleMichael.  Aren't you still leading the local anti-Sign Gestapo?

I haven't seen many signs for or against the campaign.

Yes. Illegal signs bad.

Not seeing the TCC Works signs?  Are driving around again with your eyes closed?

The arterials are covered with them this a.m.

BIG jump in the placement of signs overnight.  Mostly illegally placed.

Go get 'em.  

Haven't seen any City of Tulsa Publik Werkes trucks hauling them off, either.

Why?  Because there are NO Vote NO signs to vacumn up.  Only the Vote YES variety, which the Mayor supports.

Right?

[B)]

[RecycleMichael]

I am sure that the public works crews are going to pick up any illegal signs.

I haven't driven all over town this morning. If they just appeared overnight, it will take a little time to pick them up. Do you really expect the sign crews to have completely cleaned every arterial street of illegal signs in the middle of the night? Especially after you consistently try to limit their funding?  

Why do you assume that the city is in favor of this tax? I would assume city budget people would not be in favor because every tax competes with every other tax in the citizen's mind of overall tax burden.

I think you just want to whine...