TCC Bond Issue Vote 5-13-08

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am sure that the public works crews are going to pick up any illegal signs.

I haven't driven all over town this morning. If they just appeared overnight, it will take a little time to pick them up. Do you really expect the sign crews to have completely cleaned every arterial street of illegal signs in the middle of the night? Especially after you consistently try to limit their funding?  

Why do you assume that the city is in favor of this tax? I would assume city budget people would not be in favor because every tax competes with every other tax in the citizen's mind of overall tax burden.

I think you just want to whine...

Your Mayor Kathy Taylor is on RECORD as in favor of the tax.  She has spoken publically in favor of the new TCC tax.

Doesn't the Dept. of Publik Werkes report to HER?

And, you certainly know well and good that if there was an organized Vote NO group against this new TCC tax, and they had some signs out, they wouldn't last long.

The police patrol cars are spotters, and when they report them in, the Publik Werkes trucks are dispatched to vacumn them up.

Augmented by those wonderful, civic minded Volunteers who want to beautify the city by vacumning Vote No signs from yards and roadways.

[}:)]

[Wrinkle]

This entire election is being held on edge of proper.

TCC didn't even hold any of the traditional public town meetings to pump their deal.

And, to look at this mornings' Tulsa World, you'd have no clue it's an Election Day from the front page.

The fewer voters who turn out, the better chance this has of passage. So, people, you need to go VOTE TODAY!

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

This entire election is being held on edge of proper.

TCC didn't even hold any of the traditional public town meetings to pump their deal.

And, to look at this mornings' Tulsa World, you'd have no clue it's an Election Day from the front page.

The fewer voters who turn out, the better chance this has of passage. So, people, you need to go VOTE TODAY!

I voted NO!

[:X]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


Your Mayor Kathy Taylor is on RECORD as in favor of the tax.  She has spoken publically in favor of the new TCC tax.

Doesn't the Dept. of Publik Werkes report to HER?

Beware Kevin Bacon.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am sure that the public works crews are going to pick up any illegal signs.

I haven't driven all over town this morning. If they just appeared overnight, it will take a little time to pick them up. Do you really expect the sign crews to have completely cleaned every arterial street of illegal signs in the middle of the night? Especially after you consistently try to limit their funding?  

Why do you assume that the city is in favor of this tax? I would assume city budget people would not be in favor because every tax competes with every other tax in the citizen's mind of overall tax burden.

I think you just want to whine...

Your Mayor Kathy Taylor is on RECORD as in favor of the tax.  She has spoken publically in favor of the new TCC tax.

Doesn't the Dept. of Publik Werkes report to HER?

And, you certainly know well and good that if there was an organized Vote NO group against this new TCC tax, and they had some signs out, they wouldn't last long.

The police patrol cars are spotters, and when they report them in, the Publik Werkes trucks are dispatched to vacumn them up.

Augmented by those wonderful, civic minded Volunteers who want to beautify the city by vacumning Vote No signs from yards and roadways.

[}:)]

I think it's probably hard for KT to come out against TCC.  

I do know for a fact a high ranking member of your alleged cabal is very much against this plan.

KT's comments have been pretty limited.  I'm not happy she endorsed it, but I'm not surprised either.  It's a tough position to be in.

I voted at 11:00 AM.  I was voter #16.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Educate them, RecycleMichael.  Aren't you still leading the local anti-Sign Gestapo?

I haven't seen many signs for or against the campaign.

Yes. Illegal signs bad.

I haven't seen any illegal signs, either.

[waterboy]

Yeah, i saw illegal signs off of an exit ramp on 169 or BA don't remember which, but no big deal. Not very many. I was #18 at my precinct and am usually around 120.

[MichaelBates]

quote:Originally posted by Gold


I think it's probably hard for KT to come out against TCC.

I do know for a fact a high ranking member of your alleged cabal is very much against this plan.

Why haven't we heard from this person publicly?

If the reason is fear, then if even the rich and powerful are afraid to speak their minds, what hope does Tulsa have of real civic dialogue?

Or perhaps it's simply a worry that if A opposes B's tax increase, B will come out against A's tax increase.

Here's another possibility: Parents try to present a united front to their children. If one disagrees with the other spouse on a matter of child-rearing, they may discuss it in private, but in front of the children they support one another's decisions. Perhaps the "alleged cabal" regards the general public as children and sees themselves in the parental role. We might be confused if we see our betters disagreeing with each other in public.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I am sure that the public works crews are going to pick up any illegal signs.

I haven't driven all over town this morning. If they just appeared overnight, it will take a little time to pick them up. Do you really expect the sign crews to have completely cleaned every arterial street of illegal signs in the middle of the night? Especially after you consistently try to limit their funding?  

Why do you assume that the city is in favor of this tax? I would assume city budget people would not be in favor because every tax competes with every other tax in the citizen's mind of overall tax burden.

I think you just want to whine...

Your Mayor Kathy Taylor is on RECORD as in favor of the tax.  She has spoken publically in favor of the new TCC tax.

Doesn't the Dept. of Publik Werkes report to HER?

And, you certainly know well and good that if there was an organized Vote NO group against this new TCC tax, and they had some signs out, they wouldn't last long.

The police patrol cars are spotters, and when they report them in, the Publik Werkes trucks are dispatched to vacumn them up.

Augmented by those wonderful, civic minded Volunteers who want to beautify the city by vacumning Vote No signs from yards and roadways.

[}:)]

I think it's probably hard for KT to come out against TCC.  

I do know for a fact a high ranking member of your alleged cabal is very much against this plan.

KT's comments have been pretty limited.  I'm not happy she endorsed it, but I'm not surprised either.  It's a tough position to be in.

I voted at 11:00 AM.  I was voter #16.

TCC, TTC, TPS, TPD, TFD, OSU-Tulsa, and TulsaMetroChamberPots are part of a reciprocal FAVORS-TRADING network.  

Greater Tulsa Home Builders Assn. and Tulsa Metro Area Realtors also go along with any tax increase that doesn't directly affect them as a group.

Collectively, they work to support each others tax renewals and tax increases.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold


I think it's probably hard for KT to come out against TCC.

I do know for a fact a high ranking member of your alleged cabal is very much against this plan.

Why haven't we heard from this person publicly?

If the reason is fear, then if even the rich and powerful are afraid to speak their minds, what hope does Tulsa have of real civic dialogue?

Or perhaps it's simply a worry that if A opposes B's tax increase, B will come out against A's tax increase.

Here's another possibility: Parents try to present a united front to their children. If one disagrees with the other spouse on a matter of child-rearing, they may discuss it in private, but in front of the children they support one another's decisions. Perhaps the "alleged cabal" regards the general public as children and sees themselves in the parental role. We might be confused if we see our betters disagreeing with each other in public.

I think the reason is obvious.  This person has goals for elected office.

The good fight here would have been nipping this in the bud before it got on the ballot.  Sadly, we don't have the right people to do that, I sudpect.  Who made the call to get this on the ballot?

I tend to be in favor of the projects that we vote on locally, but this one clearly stinks.  I think there is broad agreement on this site on that end, which is peculiar to me.  

I also agree that this doesn't pass the smell test insofar as they are trying to get low voter turnout.

[PonderInc]

I voted at about 11:00 AM, and I was voter 24 at my precinct.  I feel quite powerful, making executive decisions like this all by myself.... Too bad it's a vote, not a lottery.  My chances would be terrific!

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear
Educate them, RecycleMichael.  Aren't you still leading the local anti-Sign Gestapo?

I haven't seen many signs for or against the campaign.

Yes. Illegal signs bad.

I walked (yes WALKED) up to my poling place today, Berean Baptist Church at 21st & Darlinton. I have seen today many "Vote Yes" signs, mostly along major arterial streets and public/school properties.  I have not seen "vote No" signs, and all Yes signs were on the rights-of-way of public property.  I did not see one "yes" sign in the yard of any private residence.

Interesting to see how this will pan out.  As stated before, I cast a big "no" vote on both issues.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold


I think it's probably hard for KT to come out against TCC.

I do know for a fact a high ranking member of your alleged cabal is very much against this plan.

Why haven't we heard from this person publicly?

If the reason is fear, then if even the rich and powerful are afraid to speak their minds, what hope does Tulsa have of real civic dialogue?

Or perhaps it's simply a worry that if A opposes B's tax increase, B will come out against A's tax increase.

Here's another possibility: Parents try to present a united front to their children. If one disagrees with the other spouse on a matter of child-rearing, they may discuss it in private, but in front of the children they support one another's decisions. Perhaps the "alleged cabal" regards the general public as children and sees themselves in the parental role. We might be confused if we see our betters disagreeing with each other in public.

We got a flavor of the power of Political disunity during the recently failed Kaiser River Tax.

When the Mayor of Broken Arrow and his entire city council as well as North Tulsa politicians like Jack Henderson and Roscoe Turner came out against the River Tax, that definitely broke any unified front from the Politician mouthpieces singing from the same "Tax-Me-More" hymnal.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

quote:Originally posted by Gold


I think it's probably hard for KT to come out against TCC.

I do know for a fact a high ranking member of your alleged cabal is very much against this plan.

Why haven't we heard from this person publicly?

If the reason is fear, then if even the rich and powerful are afraid to speak their minds, what hope does Tulsa have of real civic dialogue?

Or perhaps it's simply a worry that if A opposes B's tax increase, B will come out against A's tax increase.

Here's another possibility: Parents try to present a united front to their children. If one disagrees with the other spouse on a matter of child-rearing, they may discuss it in private, but in front of the children they support one another's decisions. Perhaps the "alleged cabal" regards the general public as children and sees themselves in the parental role. We might be confused if we see our betters disagreeing with each other in public.

Word. Spectacular analysis of the local political scene as usual.

[sgrizzle]

Congratulations to Tulsa on this one for not just blindly passing another bond issue.