TCC Bond Issue Vote 5-13-08

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

Don't feed the bears.  Vote over.  Thread over.

Ah, come-on.  

Let us do a Touchdown Demonstration in the end-zone just for Today.  I'll only spike the ball  this one time.

Promise.

[TURobY]

Besides, the fact that we all pretty much agreed on something is cause enough for a celebration.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

Besides, the fact that we all pretty much agreed on something is cause enough for a celebration.

End-Zone Party, End-Zone Party, End-Zone Party!!!

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Now, I wasnt for this particular tax. But I am not against all taxes or for all tax cuts. To just paint all taxes as bad period or to paint someone who may be for a tax as "Tax Vampires"  seems a bit extreme and I do not agree with that sentiment.

Just because I was against this tax does not mean I am against all taxes or against possible taxes for college education. I just never heard a convincing argument for it in this case. I think we need to grow our colleges but at this point would prefer it be for OSU Tulsa. Either that or TCC needs to convince me that they are struggling, have done everything they can to max out what they have, show me that there is not an ounce of space or time left in the classrooms, that they have come up with creative solutions, money saving efforts, etc.

Dont just tell me it would be great to have this because of this or that benefit... sure any extra money could be of benefit, would benefit me too... do that, but also convince me that you NEED and deserve it. And if people are convinced and vote for it they shouldn't be called "Tax Vampires".

I generally reserve the term "Tax Vampires" for the PROMOTERS of taxes.  

Generally, Tax Vampires refers to political Pimps & Prostitures fronting for the local connected construction cabal, with their associated small coven of connected sub-contractors, bond underwriters, accountants, attorneys, architects and engineers.

Someone who merely falls for the emotional appeal of their tax promotion slogans like:

"It's for the Children", or

"It's all about jobs", I would refer to as a:

DUPE.

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[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

Besides, the fact that we all pretty much agreed on something is cause enough for a celebration.

End-Zone Party, End-Zone Party, End-Zone Party!!!

Party this weekend downtown. Y'all can come. 5th & Main. Cash bar.

[inteller]

so who thinks this will change TCC's attitude toward the public, downtown, et al?  I for one don't think there will be any change...just another attempt at this in a few years....sounding even more desparate.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

so who thinks this will change TCC's attitude toward the public, downtown, et al?  I for one don't think there will be any change...just another attempt at this in a few years....sounding even more desparate.

Today's World article quotes the TCC pres as blaming it all on a poor economy and gasoline costs. Even though Tulsa's economy shows no real trauma as of yet. No, there will be no change in attitude, its allways some one or something else at fault.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

so who thinks this will change TCC's attitude toward the public, downtown, et al?  I for one don't think there will be any change...just another attempt at this in a few years....sounding even more desparate.

It's never "Final" with the Tax Vampires.

If they are defeated in one election, they merely bide their time while memories fade of why their tax ploy was defeated, re-group and re-package their tax, find a new message and a new messenger, collect funds from their fellow connected cronies, and come at our throats again even harder.  

Again, and again.

Witness Vision 2025:  It was only on their THIRD attempt to get an Arena downtown that voters were finally gulled into passing funds for a new Arena Downtown.  Built by:

Flintco and RooneyCo.  Surprise!

Remember their clever message:  

"It's All About Jobs".  

The jobs were coming from Boeing, but Boeing was never COMING.  

But, the ploy worked to Gull the voters into voting a $1 Billion tax increase.

The Puppet Masters behind their pimping politician mouthpieces are local Oligarch Families, that have been ruling Oklahoma for a long time, and neatly have this tax vampirism inbedded in their genes.

Hypothetically, of course, FLINTCO is a 100 years old family bizness.

Approximately 1/2 of their business is building stuff for Goobermint entities.

One-half.

Be well assured that they true and verily know how to game The System.  To the Max.

[:O]

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


Witness Vision 2025:  It was only on their THIRD attempt to get an Arena downtown that voters were finally gulled into passing funds for a new Arena Downtown.

Strange, the arena was one of the prime reasons I voted for it. If I only had a brain...

[TheArtist]

Yes, I liked the arena too.

If they were to ask for some money to expand OSU Tulsa, then I would go for that. It wasnt that I was "broke" or that I "didnt want to spend money on education"... This just wasnt the particular college priority I saw at the moment. Nor was it shown to me that this was the best expansion of programs at TCC. Would rather them have a major engineering program than a fire and emergency responder program, for instance.

Wish they would ask some of the taxpayers what their thoughts and priorities for the future of TCC should be. We are the ones that would be paying for it. The medical stuff would be good, but they didnt make a convincing argument for why it was important to do so, how specifically the money would be spent, shown that they had used up every available other option, and why it couldnt be done otherwise.  They simply didnt convince me. Not gonna hand people money otherwise.

Sad that they didnt do more to promote it, unless it couldnt hold up to scrutiny and thats why. Would like to have gone to some public forums and discussions for instance.  I dont remember any at all? Also would have like to have heard about, or been a part of the public input process and why they came to the conclusions that this was money well spent and needed. Don't remember any of that going on either? Did I somehow miss it?

[shadows]

Throughout history taxation has brought to end each fledging society.  Even among our past leaders the right to tax is the right to destroy.  The societies have hired a street sweeper, then a lamp lighter and a person to pick up the trash.   As their needs increase (its all for the people) the cute little kitten has grown into a lion where it demands they need more help by employing more people.  It has all started with only costing a few pennies but grows into hundreds of dollars.  Due to the society produce no articles for sale but depend on each to contribute to the ever demanding collecting the money from the citizens in some form of taxes.  

As the society grows so grows the apathy of the citizen to participate as the hidden demands grow greater for taxes, which some are voted on and some are passed on a fee's without a vote.   We are in the phase where the majority is manipulated by withholding information or making it very difficult to vote.   Most votes are passed by the minority of registered voters.   Once again the intent of government of the people vanishes and through out history this has lead to rebellion.  Not withstanding half of the world is in rebellion today.

It should not be necessary for each high school have a multi-million-dollar football stadium that sits vacant most of the time when our test scores in elaborate designed schools are in question

Whether the results of the last hidden election was foretelling the future elections or a wakeup call remains to be seen.

As it has been said "you cannot tax a society into prosperity"        

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Throughout history taxation has brought to end each fledging society.  Even among our past leaders the right to tax is the right to destroy.  The societies have hired a street sweeper, then a lamp lighter and a person to pick up the trash.   As their needs increase (its all for the people) the cute little kitten has grown into a lion where it demands they need more help by employing more people.  It has all started with only costing a few pennies but grows into hundreds of dollars.  Due to the society produce no articles for sale but depend on each to contribute to the ever demanding collecting the money from the citizens in some form of taxes.  

As the society grows so grows the apathy of the citizen to participate as the hidden demands grow greater for taxes, which some are voted on and some are passed on a fee's without a vote.   We are in the phase where the majority is manipulated by withholding information or making it very difficult to vote.   Most votes are passed by the minority of registered voters.   Once again the intent of government of the people vanishes and through out history this has lead to rebellion.  Not withstanding half of the world is in rebellion today.

It should not be necessary for each high school have a multi-million-dollar football stadium that sits vacant most of the time when our test scores in elaborate designed schools are in question

Whether the results of the last hidden election was foretelling the future elections or a wakeup call remains to be seen.

As it has been said "you cannot tax a society into prosperity"        

Lucky for us we live in a state with the lowest tax burden. Its helped to make our state the glorious utopia it is today, a shining example of prosperity, health, and wisdom to the rest of the nation.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Throughout history taxation has brought to end each fledging society.  Even among our past leaders the right to tax is the right to destroy.  The societies have hired a street sweeper, then a lamp lighter and a person to pick up the trash.   As their needs increase (its all for the people) the cute little kitten has grown into a lion where it demands they need more help by employing more people.  It has all started with only costing a few pennies but grows into hundreds of dollars.  Due to the society produce no articles for sale but depend on each to contribute to the ever demanding collecting the money from the citizens in some form of taxes.  

As the society grows so grows the apathy of the citizen to participate as the hidden demands grow greater for taxes, which some are voted on and some are passed on a fee's without a vote.   We are in the phase where the majority is manipulated by withholding information or making it very difficult to vote.   Most votes are passed by the minority of registered voters.   Once again the intent of government of the people vanishes and through out history this has lead to rebellion.  Not withstanding half of the world is in rebellion today.

It should not be necessary for each high school have a multi-million-dollar football stadium that sits vacant most of the time when our test scores in elaborate designed schools are in question

Whether the results of the last hidden election was foretelling the future elections or a wakeup call remains to be seen.

As it has been said "you cannot tax a society into prosperity"        

Lucky for us we live in a state with the lowest tax burden. Its helped to make our state the glorious utopia it is today, a shining example of prosperity, health, and wisdom to the rest of the nation.

Are you talking about OKLAHOMA?

What superlatives?

Most Turnpikes.

Highest Female Incarceration Rate in U.S.

Third Highest Male Incarceration Rate in U.S.

Highest growth rate of MINIMUM wage jobs.

Highest incidence of Hepatitis A.

#1 in Administrative Bloat due to 4th in U.S. in NUMBER of School Districts

43rd in Per Capita Income.

Time for a Reality Check.

[:I]

[waterboy]

Could be time for FB to get a refresher course on sarcasm. We have one of the lowest tax rates and it has yielded the superlatives you outlined. That's what I took from the post.

[Ibanez]

We also have one of the lowest per capita incomes. It only makes sense that we would have a lower tax burden.  You can't squeeze blood from a turnip.