PLANiTulsa (Comp Plan) Kick-Off Event

[PonderInc]

Everyone's invited....
http://www.planitulsa.org/

Please join Mayor Kathy Taylor for the citywide launch of PLANiTULSA:

Tuesday, May 13th, 2008
4:30 – 6:30 p.m.

A once-in-a-generation opportunity to shape the next 30 years of Tulsa's growth.

5 p.m. - Presentation by Mayor Taylor and nationally renowned community planner, John Fregonese.

Location: Central Center at Centennial Park
1028 E. 6th St. (6th & Peoria)

Please RSVP to planitulsarsvp@sbcglobal.net or contact Jami Fichte at 599-0029

[cks511]

Oh I get it...VISION 2038...great.  Just great.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cks511

Oh I get it...VISION 2038...great.  Just great.

Well we started construction years ago on Tulsa's future (v2025) and now we are going to draw up the plans for it... Kinda like Ready, Fire, Wait 5 years, Aim.

[RecycleMichael]

I am tired of all this vision. I want to use the other senses.

How about Smell 2025?

Taste 2025?

I would suggest Feel 2025, but I would probably get arrested.

[cks511]

Vision 2038...

*low water dams
*arena maintenance
*westbank development
*arena maintenance
*thousands of jobs
*arena maintenance
*water in the river
*arena maintenance
*drillers

......okay nevermind. I'm done.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cks511

Vision 2038...

*low water dams
*arena maintenance
*westbank development
*arena maintenance
*thousands of jobs
*arena maintenance
*water in the river
*arena maintenance
*drillers

......okay nevermind. I'm done.

*Consolidated Mass Transit. Rail, buses, park& ride and call&ride. Everyone should be able to get from their house to downtown or vice-versa in 30 minutes or less.
*Outlaw all surface lot parking inside the IDL. Structured and on-street parking only. Serial parkers to have cars covered in Mayonnaise.

[mrhaskellok]

Whats wrong with vision 2038?  Do we really think that planning is a bad idea?

These kinds of meetings help a lot to educate citizens about the process and how to get involved.  

I am planning on going...RM, I am with you bro, we need a lot more "feeling" going on around here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKT6QDYOQ8
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[PonderInc]

Here's another way to think about the Comp Plan, and how it applies to shaping Tulsa's future: Instead of having to go to the TMAPC or BOA or City Council to fight for what's right week after week, issue by issue...we could come up with a sound plan for the city, and capture it permamently in the Comprehensive Plan.  Then we could make appropriate changes to the zoning ordinances to carry out that plan.  That's just one piece of the puzzle, but it would be huge for Tulsa.

I think the topic of planning is frustrating to people because there's no instant gratification.  You don't pull out a credit card and walk home with a toy.  You have to think about 10 or 20 years in the future, and imagine the city you want us to have.  More gruelling than glamorous.

Portland, OR is a great town today because of choices they started making in the late 70's.  When I lived in Colorado in the early 90's, big chunks of downtown Denver were incredibly scary(bars on the windows, drug deals on the streets, decrepid vacant buildings), now every inch of downtown has been transformed.  But it took 15 years...and, oh yeah, a lot of planning and big ideas to make it happen.

I'm personally totally excited about the Comp Plan update.  To paraphrase a line from "The Matrix:" We are only limited by our belief in our own limitations.  

I want Tulsa to be better than that.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by cks511

Vision 2038...

*low water dams
*arena maintenance
*westbank development
*arena maintenance
*thousands of jobs
*arena maintenance
*water in the river
*arena maintenance
*drillers

......okay nevermind. I'm done.

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[tshane250]

quote: These kinds of meetings help a lot to educate citizens about the process and how to get involved.  

They also encourage buy-in and best of all ownership (especially when citizens' ideas are integrated into the process), which means these plans actually stand a chance of becoming reality.

[perspicuity85]

I say we start planning 30 years ahead the same way American society did in the 1960s-

*People on Mars
*Hotels on the Moon
*Computers with human personalities, including a full range of emotions
*Flying cars
*Giant skyscrapers that comprise entire cities....

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

Here's another way to think about the Comp Plan, and how it applies to shaping Tulsa's future: Instead of having to go to the TMAPC or BOA or City Council to fight for what's right week after week, issue by issue...we could come up with a sound plan for the city, and capture it permamently in the Comprehensive Plan.  Then we could make appropriate changes to the zoning ordinances to carry out that plan.  That's just one piece of the puzzle, but it would be huge for Tulsa.

I think the topic of planning is frustrating to people because there's no instant gratification.  You don't pull out a credit card and walk home with a toy.  You have to think about 10 or 20 years in the future, and imagine the city you want us to have.  More gruelling than glamorous.

Portland, OR is a great town today because of choices they started making in the late 70's.  When I lived in Colorado in the early 90's, big chunks of downtown Denver were incredibly scary(bars on the windows, drug deals on the streets, decrepid vacant buildings), now every inch of downtown has been transformed.  But it took 15 years...and, oh yeah, a lot of planning and big ideas to make it happen.

I'm personally totally excited about the Comp Plan update.  To paraphrase a line from "The Matrix:" We are only limited by our belief in our own limitations.  

I want Tulsa to be better than that.

I am cautiously optimistic about the comp plan update, but I can't help worrying about this process getting co-opted, corrupted and outright  plan-jacked by the regional establishment special interests, while the public input and participation in the process is not sought, or if it is it is simply ignored. I hope the local media promotes this meeting as the tremendous, long term opportunity it is to improve Tulsa for all Tulsans and strongly emphasizes how important the comprehensive plan update really can be in the daily life of an average Tulsan encouraging them to participate. I dread that this process will become like the "visioning" to include public participation(mostly as a formality) in the process to plan and prioritize for Vision 2025 where the public vision became blurred, after being filtered through the lens of the regional establishment special interests.   That is not in Tulsa's best interest, and I want Tulsa to be better, too. I want our Comp plan to be inclusive and most importantly of, by and for all Tulsans. We've got one shot to get this right, the consequences of getting it wrong are serious and long term. PPPPPPR. Contrary to what some may think, I do care about Tulsa.

[perspicuity85]

On a serious note:

*water in the river
*passenger ferries on the river (maybe Waterboy's Oktoberfest-style)
*an in-ground trolley line that runs parallel to Riverside Dr.
*an in-ground trolley line that connects the arena, Brady dist, Blue Dome, East End, Uptown, Greenwood/OSU Tulsa, TU, Cherry St., Brookside, and goes across the river at the newly restored art deco 11th St. bridge
*high level of consumer awareness for all the aforementioned districts, by residents of the entire metro area
*baseball stadium in East End
*soccer stadium in Jenks with a MLS team
*many people living Downtown, and all aforementioned districts
*OSU-Tulsa is an independent comprehensive university with student housing and an athletic
dept.

More to come.

[Conan71]

Water in the river???  There's more than enough there now...

[}:)]

[Renaissance]

Somebody want to explain exactly what a Comprehensive Plan is?  Or, tell us what it isn't?