Drivers License Checkpoints

[patric]

...can be highway robbery.

WEBBERS FALLS — Two former Webbers Falls police officers are accused of bilking a woman out of $220 in cash after an illegal traffic stop in December 2005, according to the findings of an investigation turned over to the Muskogee County district attorney on Thursday.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090710_12_A9_WEBBER386956

Felony grand larceny charges are recommended against former Capt. Joe Garrett, now an employee of the Department of Corrections, and former Officer Aaron Torix, now an employee of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation Lighthorse Tribal Police Department.

Charges have not been filed.

Authorities say the crime occurred when Deborah Sisco was pulled over at a driver's license checkpoint. Her license and insurance were in order, but officers found that she had an outstanding traffic warrant in Muskogee Municipal Court for failing to wear a seat belt.

A Muskogee dispatcher told Torix the traffic warrant was for $150, but Torix told Berton it was $220 and that he would take only cash, the report said.

Sisco said her friends complained about the checkpoint to Mayor Jewell Horne, who also was Webbers Falls' police commissioner at the time.
Horne "said there was nothing she could do," Sisco said.

[cannon_fodder]

"Drivers License Checkpoints" are a total sham.  Just like DUI checkpoints. Or "Safety" checkpoints.  They are an excuse to look for illegal behavior operating on the presumption that everyone is guilty and therefor subject to stop and search.  A privacy violating ploy to raise money.

If there is a murderer in the immediate area or a child was kidnapped, then setup a roadblock because it's arguably worth the invasion of my privacy to glance in the passenger compartment and peer in the trunk real quick.  But because some people might be doing something wrong isn't a good enough excuse to stop me, check my ID, and search my vehicle (passively or otherwise).

[custosnox]

"Drivers License Checkpoints" are a total sham.  Just like DUI checkpoints. Or "Safety" checkpoints.  They are an excuse to look for illegal behavior operating on the presumption that everyone is guilty and therefor subject to stop and search.  A privacy violating ploy to raise money.

If there is a murderer in the immediate area or a child was kidnapped, then setup a roadblock because it's arguably worth the invasion of my privacy to glance in the passenger compartment and peer in the trunk real quick.  But because some people might be doing something wrong isn't a good enough excuse to stop me, check my ID, and search my vehicle (passively or otherwise).

Makes you wonder what would happen if you asked for the cops probable cause for even asking for a search, or for detaining you.   

[Townsend]

Makes you wonder what would happen if you asked for the cops probable cause for even asking for a search, or for detaining you.   

Not sure but if I try that and you see what happens next..."put the camera down and help get them off me".

Bobcat Goldthwait

[custosnox]

Not sure but if I try that and you see what happens next..."put the camera down and help get them off me".

Bobcat Goldthwait

I'll send a paramedic to drive by and flip em off, that should distract them long enough for you to get away.

[patric]

Makes you wonder what would happen if you asked for the cops probable cause for even asking for a search, or for detaining you.   

I did that some years ago when I was stopped in Bixby.
The officers response was "I havent seen your vehicle around here and wanted to take a look inside".
Training deficit or just arrogance?

[custosnox]

I did that some years ago when I was stopped in Bixby.
The officers response was "I havent seen your vehicle around here and wanted to take a look inside".
Training deficit or just arrogance?

And this is why I think the state should pay for cam systems in every vehicle in oklahoma (we want the drivers pov as well).  Accountability is key here people.  Let's get these folks doing what they are supposed to be doing.  Damn the budget, let's get er done.

[Wilbur]

And this is why I think the state should pay for cam systems in every vehicle in oklahoma (we want the drivers pov as well).  Accountability is key here people.  Let's get these folks doing what they are supposed to be doing.  Damn the budget, let's get er done.

That's only $3,000,000 for Tulsa.  Does not count any maintenance, supplies, installation, .......  And that's on the low end.

That would be Tulsa......  who is furloughing every employee because of no money.

[custosnox]

That's only $3,000,000 for Tulsa.  Does not count any maintenance, supplies, installation, .......  And that's on the low end.

That would be Tulsa......  who is furloughing every employee because of no money.

was joking

[cannon_fodder]

Dash cams in Tulsa cop cars:

[custosnox]

oh, no, I was saying dash cams in ALL cars hehe

[Conan71]

I got a warning for speeding yesterday out near Hennesy from an OHP on Hwy 51.  It's quite an impressive array of electronics in the OHP patrol cars these days.  I kept wondering where that dashcam tape would have wound up if he'd have been in a bad mood.