How to Protect Yourself From Obamacare

[guido911]

And we know you are spanking your monkey.

[Conan71]

Nathan, I'd begun to assign way too much credit to your grasp of business. What are the two biggest reasons companies relocate operations overseas? Increased costs and regulation.

You are totally clueless about what this does to premium costs for companies.

Why accept a very flawed bill whose passage is owed entirely to corruption just for the sake of saying: "We 'reformed' healthcare". 

[Conan71]

And we know you are spanking your monkey.

Racist

That was an Obama reference wasn't it?  That's not funny I used to grope him on the Ell when I lived in Chicago.

[JeffM]

You are totally clueless....

And also with you...... my pre-existing condition will, soon enough, be in the dustbin of history, where it belongs.... and I'll take the political advice of nuns over the political advice of bishops or priests, thank you very much.  

[guido911]

Racist

That was an Obama reference wasn't it?  That's not funny I used to grope him on the Ell when I lived in Chicago.

lol. After all, I am known for my racism, despite the numerous civil rights lawsuits I have taken and tried.

Tell me more about the groping.

[nathanm]

Nathan, I'd begun to assign way too much credit to your grasp of business. What are the two biggest reasons companies relocate operations overseas? Increased costs and regulation.

You are totally clueless about what this does to premium costs for companies.

Why accept a very flawed bill whose passage is owed entirely to corruption just for the sake of saying: "We 'reformed' healthcare". 

I think you can reduce your question further. What is the biggest reason companies relocate operations overseas? Cost. Regulation is irrelevant, except insofar as it impacts the bottom line. I would think that you, as a self-proclaimed free marketeer would agree.

I think what you're totally clueless about is the grousing among small businesses health insurance costs have more than doubled in the last decade. Business is foobared without reform. We can argue until we are blue in the face about whether or not the bill that was passed will do anything to help curb the growth in medical spending, but surely we can agree that the status quo is not sustainable. It's already driving manufacturing overseas. At this point, most of what's left here is here because it has to be, not because it's more cost effective to have operations here.

I just don't see where this tsunami you're claiming is on the way is coming from, unless you're referring to the one that is already up to our chest and has been rising for decades.

[guido911]

And also with you...... my pre-existing condition will, soon enough, be in the dustbin of history, where it belongs.... and I'll take the political advice of nuns over the political advice of bishops or priests, thank you very much.  

Good grief just shut up about your "preexisting condition" already. You got your health care bill that will be paid for by people other than yourself. Just keep riding the gravy train.

[JeffM]

Good grief just shut up about your "preexisting condition" already. You got your health care bill that will be paid for by people other than yourself. Just keep riding the gravy train.

Be my guest.... get cancer.... and I'll welcome you to the "gravy train."   

[nathanm]

Does every thread have to degenerate into name-calling? 

[fotd]

For you non conscious anti intellectual types: Opinions turn favorable on health care plan http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm

You'll never get the concept of helping all Americans with their basic needs until you learn to open your hearts and give a hand up to citizens who have fallen victim to the system. Whatever American way some of you conceptualize, it's obvious the country as a more confident nation than just 18 months ago is going to move into the future without your help or ideas.

At lunch, my wonderful waitress was thrilled that she would now be able to afford insurance. We even discussed forming a co op of waiters and waitresses to form a secure group enabling lower premiums.

[we vs us]

Any time 216 or so Americans make decisions like this for another 304mm Americans and massive amounts of of time and money have been spent to affect the outcome, to the seeming benefit of some corporate interests and a relative minority of the people, this is going to be the outcome.

Er, what?  It's called representative democracy, and it's how we've done it since our country was created.  That's the second time I've seen that particular meme here and it's actually pretty disturbing.   You're saying, essentially, it's the form of government's fault this bill, which you don't like, passed.  Damn you, America!  You and your lousy rules!

[Conan71]

Er, what?  It's called representative democracy, and it's how we've done it since our country was created.  That's the second time I've seen that particular meme here and it's actually pretty disturbing.   You're saying, essentially, it's the form of government's fault this bill, which you don't like, passed.  Damn you, America!  You and your lousy rules!

It's really the corrupt nature of how the vote was arrived at and the whole legacy-making quest at all cost that pisses me off more than anything.  This is not a good bill.  There were better alternatives and it's shameful how big the bill was and how little discussion and time for review was afforded the citizens prior to the vote.  This most definitely was not what the framers of our Constitution had in mind (not health care so much, but the methodology and cloaked nature of how this was handled).

Also, understand, I have no problem with a valid attempt to cut the cost of health care and providing coverage to those who have a difficult time getting affordable coverage.  This bill does neither.

[rwarn17588]

There were better alternatives

Name one. The CBO analyzed the GOP alternatives, and they were terrible.

[Gaspar]

It's really the corrupt nature of how the vote was arrived at and the whole legacy-making quest at all cost that pisses me off more than anything.  This is not a good bill.  There were better alternatives and it's shameful how big the bill was and how little discussion and time for review was afforded the citizens prior to the vote.  This most definitely was not what the framers of our Constitution had in mind (not health care so much, but the methodology and cloaked nature of how this was handled).

Also, understand, I have no problem with a valid attempt to cut the cost of health care and providing coverage to those who have a difficult time getting affordable coverage.  This bill does neither.

First of all, not only is it a bad bill, but a large portion of the legislation has nothing to do with healthcare and is being washed over in the media.

The bill is actually called "Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010."

A good portion of the bill covers the government take-over of the banking industry focused on student loans.  It gives the government the ability to regulate the amounts and payback structure for many forms of banking related to education. 

Your thoughts?

[Townsend]

The bill is actually called "Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010."

A good portion of the bill covers the government take-over of the banking industry focused on student loans.  It gives the government the ability to regulate the amounts and payback structure for many forms of banking related to education. 

Your thoughts?

Slate's thoughts.  Again, I have no idea how slanted any article I find is but I thought it was an interesting read as long as you ignore the "Pearl Harbor" injections.

http://www.slate.com/id/2248377/