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Started by guido911, July 19, 2010, 07:39:58 PM

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swake

Quote from: Gaspar on July 20, 2010, 10:40:37 AM
Yes, if they find that the Aryan Brotherhood has infiltrated their ranks and is making comments on their behalf.  Yes.

Should President Obama Condemn the American Communist Party?

More straw men please. ;D

It's your strawman first, not mine.

I really don't know a lot about any of these groups honestly. Has the "New" Black Panther party infiltrated the NAACP? Can you document that? It would not shock me, but then it also would not shock me if the Aryan Brotherhood has infiltrated the Tea Party movement. The white power related militias have.

custosnox

Quote from: nathanm on July 20, 2010, 11:32:12 AM
I tired of the phrase also, until I looked at some crime statistics. Turns out, most violent crime is committed by white people (makes sense, given that we're still a majority), yet black people get arrested for it more often and are far more likely to be imprisoned for it. So yeah, sometimes it is because they're black.
statistics show whatever the person presenting them wants them to show.  I'll still go with the real world answer of "if you commit the crime, then your being taken down because you commited the crime, not because of the color of your skin". 

rwarn17588

Hmm. Story's starting to become less of an outrage the more we learn:

http://www.ajc.com/news/farmers-wife-says-fired-574027.html

"And I went on to work with many more white farmers," she said. "The story helped me realize that race is not the issue, it's about the people who have and the people who don't. When I speak to groups, I try to speak about getting beyond the issue of race."

Apparently the tape was selectively edited.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/07/everyone_take_a_deep_breath.php#more?ref=fpblg

custosnox

Quote from: rwarn17588 on July 20, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
Apparently the tape was selectively edited.

That should have been pretty predictable.  Both sides like to do that.  I had wondered about what was said after it was cut off since it didn't seem to be then end of the comments. 

nathanm

Quote from: custosnox on July 20, 2010, 11:40:35 AM
statistics show whatever the person presenting them wants them to show.  I'll still go with the real world answer of "if you commit the crime, then your being taken down because you commited the crime, not because of the color of your skin". 
Yeah, that Department of Justice, lying about the crimes being committed again.  ::)
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

custosnox

Quote from: nathanm on July 20, 2010, 12:34:51 PM
Yeah, that Department of Justice, lying about the crimes being committed again.  ::)
yeah, I'm sure that's what it is, and not the numbers reading how someone wants them to read instead of taking all the facts into consideration.

nathanm

Quote from: custosnox on July 20, 2010, 01:16:05 PM
yeah, I'm sure that's what it is, and not the numbers reading how someone wants them to read instead of taking all the facts into consideration.
What other facts should I be taking into consideration, pray tell?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Quote from: custosnox on July 20, 2010, 11:40:35 AM
statistics show whatever the person presenting them wants them to show.  I'll still go with the real world answer of "if you commit the crime, then your being taken down because you commited the crime, not because of the color of your skin". 

+1

Or we could just have Affirmative Action for crime too.  Set some quotas.  ;)
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Conan71

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Quote from: nathanm on July 20, 2010, 11:32:12 AM
I tired of the phrase also, until I looked at some crime statistics. Turns out, most violent crime is committed by white people (makes sense, given that we're still a majority), yet black people get arrested for it more often and are far more likely to be imprisoned for it. So yeah, sometimes it is because they're black.

You mind saving us some time and citing those stats with a linky?  "Most" violent crime sounds suspect to me.

Nevermind, here's FBI stats for 2008

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_43.html

265K whites arrested vs. 179K blacks for violent crime.

7.3mil total whites arrested vs. 3mm for blacks.

No indication on incarceration rates but it seems like whites are proportionately being arrested just as much.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

Quote from: Conan71 on July 20, 2010, 01:45:04 PM
You mind saving us some time and citing those stats with a linky?  "Most" violent crime sounds suspect to me.
Why does that sound suspect? There are almost 224 million white people in the US, but only a little over 37 million black people.

As I said, go to the BJS' website. Their reports contain information regarding the reported race of the offender. I don't have the specific link, although I do have the PDF for '06 (the most recent that was available when I downloaded it)

Quote
                   Number of                               Not known
Type of crime      single-offender                         and not
and race of victim victimizations  Total White Black Other available

Crimes of violence
  White only       3,699,360 100.0 % 69.3 % 13.0 % 9.7 % 8.0 %
  Black only         719,880 100.0 % 11.5   74.8   7.1   6.6

Sorry for the crappy formatting, but as you can see, crimes perpetrated upon white people make up the vast majority of all violent crime, and almost 70% of those crimes are committed by white people.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Hoss

I find it funny now that this thread is crickets now that Breitbart has been exposed for the video editor he is.  Seems many of his right-wing buddies are throwing him under the bus now.

joiei

I guess the gang has run out of things to say.   
It's hard being a Diamond in a rhinestone world.

we vs us

Quote from: joiei on July 21, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
I guess the gang has run out of things to say.   

Here's my offering:

If Rather had to retire from CBS, maybe Breitbart should retire, too.

Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on July 21, 2010, 10:40:32 AM
Here's my offering:

If Rather had to retire from CBS, maybe Breitbart should retire, too.

It's pretty careless and callous journalism.  If the account I read is true, this woman deserves her job back.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.