Jobless Growth Forecast

[Conan71]

The DC school system is all one needs to take a look to dispute the claim that more money is the solution to educational problems.  They are at or very near the top in spending per pupil.  They are at or near the bottom on student outcomes.

[Gaspar]

Can you cite any of this?  I don't see validation of your claims in the links you provided.

That's ok, I read to my kids every night, so I'm used to it.

The first link to the program is only five pages and the numbers can be found on the first two bullet points.  It will require you to subtract 1,558 from 1,014.  I can provide that number if the math is too difficult.

If you turn to section xxv of the DOE study and review the 3 Year Key Outcomes section you will find the additional data showing:

Students who entered the Program in grades K-8 (81 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 5.2 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .15) or 2.9 months of additional learning if they were offered a scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 6.0 scale score points higher (ES = .17) or 3.3 months of additional learning if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.

Sorry for the blue, but it turns Hoss on.

[Townsend]

That's ok, I read to my kids every night, so I'm used to it.

The first link to the program is only five pages and the numbers can be found on the first two bullet points.  It will require you to subtract 1,558 from 1,014.  I can provide that number if the math is too difficult.

If you turn to section xxv of the DOE study and review the 3 Year Key Outcomes section you will find the additional data showing:

Students who entered the Program in grades K-8 (81 percent of the impact sample) scored an average of 5.2 scale score points higher in reading (ES = .15) or 2.9 months of additional learning if they were offered a scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship and 6.0 scale score points higher (ES = .17) or 3.3 months of additional learning if they used their scholarship compared to not being offered a scholarship.

Why would he do this???  Easy, this is Boehner's favorite pet program.  He uses it as an example of how we can improve the education system for children all over the country.  It is also the absolute "Nemisis" program for the teacher's unions.  The success and bright futures of these 1,615 students burns like a hot brand onto the backsides of the union bosses.  So the president is willing to pay 3 times as much to force these kids back into a failing system, just so that this program can no longer be used as an example of educational success.

Why don't you use quotes that support your claims.  Not a reason to be an donkey again because you don't like to support your stories.

[Gaspar]

Why don't you use quotes that support your claims.  Not a reason to be an donkey again because you don't like to support your stories.

I did.  It just requires someone to actually open the supporting links. 

[Townsend]

I did.  It just requires someone to actually open the supporting links. 

Still missing quite a bit of your claims.

It's tough to take your word on here sometimes.

[Gaspar]

Very interesting, after this was reported, now there is quite a debate on the accuracy of the numbers.  It turns out that the census figures for per pupil spending for DC Public Schools is incomplete.  Using their own numbers Andrew Coulson found that they are actually spending $28,170 per pupil for k-12.  If you subtract special needs education it's about $23,000 per pupil.
http://wac.0873.edgecastcdn.net/800873/blog/wp-content/uploads/Coulson-DC-Ed-Spending-FY2009-Budget.xls
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/dc-vouchers-solved-generous-severance-for-displaced-workers/

You can get two years at Holland Hall for one at the DC Gun & Knife Club.

[Conan71]

Very interesting, after this was reported, now there is quite a debate on the accuracy of the numbers.  It turns out that the census figures for per pupil spending for DC Public Schools is incomplete.  Using their own numbers Andrew Coulson found that they are actually spending $28,170 per pupil for k-12.  If you subtract special needs education it's about $23,000 per pupil.
http://wac.0873.edgecastcdn.net/800873/blog/wp-content/uploads/Coulson-DC-Ed-Spending-FY2009-Budget.xls
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/dc-vouchers-solved-generous-severance-for-displaced-workers/

You can get two years at Holland Hall for one at the DC Gun & Knife Club.

Sounds like the cost is a moving target.  When I compiled info during the debate over the Oklahoma education funding bill last year or whenever it was, DC was reporting about $18,000 per student for the '09 school year, I think it was.  Sounds like the DC education unions got their Obama money!

[Gaspar]

Sounds like the cost is a moving target.  When I compiled info during the debate over the Oklahoma education funding bill last year or whenever it was, DC was reporting about $18,000 per student for the '09 school year, I think it was.  Sounds like the DC education unions got their Obama money!

That's according to the Census numbers.  The actual audited enrollment is much lower.

I just ran the numbers, and if the president is successful in killing the voucher system and adding the $36 million to the DC schools, it will change the per student spending from $28,169.91 to $28,954.95 a difference of 685.04 per student and return around 1,400 successful students back into failing systems. Super!

[nathanm]

The DC school system is all one needs to take a look to dispute the claim that more money is the solution to educational problems.

Oh, more money is the solution, but perhaps it's not the school system that needs it.

[Hoss]

Can you cite any of this?  I don't see validation of your claims in the links you provided.

Reminds me of an X-Files tagline sometimes...

"Deceive, inveigle, obfuscate"....

[Conan71]

Oh, more money is the solution, but perhaps it's not the school system that needs it.

Maybe they could pay the parents of deficient students to start giving a smile. 

[nathanm]

Maybe they could pay the parents of deficient students to start giving a smile. 

I think improving DC residents' employment opportunities and working to reduce the ghettoization of the poor would probably help more than giving them cash benefits.

[Gaspar]

Gallop is reporting today that we are back on an unemployment upswing. We are back at 9%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152753/Unemployment-Increases-Mid-February.aspx

Of course that is still based on the heavily massaged U-3 unemployment statistic, a number that has simply been rendered useless because they are subtracting the number of people leaving the workforce.   

If we ignore the U-3 and just look at the total numbers of people abandoning the workforce, we get a nasty picture.  Things actually got worse when the recession ended back in June of 2009.  A total of 36.3 percent of working age americans are no longer in the workforce.

[Townsend]

The Republican Study Committee?

[Hoss]

The Republican Study Committee?

Come on Townie, are you surprised?