PAC Master Plan / Expansion

[Dspike]

The PAC's recently announced master plan seems sufficiently different and new to warrant its own thread. The PAC parking lot thread focused on the mixed use / grocery store project that died in 2023.

Here is the Tulsa World article with a few renderings of the PAC's hopes and dreams, including:
* Major upgrades to existing facility
* New pre and post function amenities
* 60,000 sq ft addition to the west, taking up half of the park space.
* PAC parking lot to the east would house a 1,400 seat structure; underground parking garage
* Skybridge between existing building and new structure on PAC parking lot

To do everything would close the PAC for 3 years during construction.

Looks like all they need is money!

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/government-politics/article_197bf71e-f47e-11ef-b0c4-8b23e76e2a11.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

[SXSW]

This is a better plan than what they originally proposed.  I hope they can build the larger portion, the theatre to the east with parking underneath, first so they don't have to shut down the PAC for three years. 

Now the question is where does the downtown grocery store go if this site is out of play? 

[swake]

With free curbside pickup and nearly free delivery do physical grocery stores even look like they are going to matter in the future? Kroger has recently entered the OKC market and they don't even have physical stores.

[Red Arrow]

With free curbside pickup and nearly free delivery do physical grocery stores even look like they are going to matter in the future? Kroger has recently entered the OKC market and they don't even have physical stores.

Have to have some place to store the food.  Do you just mean no store for the customer to walk in to?

I like to see the fresh veggies and produce when I buy them.  If you are a typical American and eat nothing but heavily processed, pre-packaged, food I guess never going into a store would be OK.

Even then, the websites that I have seen for Aldi, Sprouts, Target, Reasor's and Walmart will need to become a lot more user friendly.  I say that based on trying to find things like fresh green beans.

Curbside only could be good for consumers' budgets if they are prone to impulse buying something they see on the aisles.

 

[dbacksfan 2.0]

With free curbside pickup and nearly free delivery do physical grocery stores even look like they are going to matter in the future? Kroger has recently entered the OKC market and they don't even have physical stores.

I've done the curbside pickup a couple of times with Fry's (Kroger) and it's not free, there is a built in charge for them picking your groceries and bring them to your car. Same at Walmart.

Seems it's ok for packaged stuff, but I want to choose my veggies and meat products not someone else. Personal preference. Besides I always have a list that I shop by and sometimes find something that I missed on the list.

[SXSW]

With free curbside pickup and nearly free delivery do physical grocery stores even look like they are going to matter in the future? Kroger has recently entered the OKC market and they don't even have physical stores.

I'd like to see something like Target that has an urban format store that could double as a grocery and convenience store, similar to a larger DGX.  The full-block site either at 5th & Elgin or 3rd & Elgin would be perfect for something like this with apartments above.