Beer laws

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

[bugo]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar
When first moved up to St. Louis I found this little pub called the 34 club (I think because it opened in 1934).  I sat down and ordered a tall frosty Budwiser 6 point and it was like drinking pure love in a bottle.

A cab driver pulled up to the front door and walked in with his cab still running and said "Donny, I'll have my regular"  The bartender filled up a styrofoam cup with ice and Hennessy, put a lit on with a straw and the cabby paid him and returned to his cab and drove off.

Shortly after that a woman walked in with her 3 year old grand-daughter and her weiner-dog.  The bartender put a bowl of water on the bar for the dog, who was hoisted to a barstool, fixed the child a Shirley Temple, and a beer for her grandmother.

I went there every sunday at 1pm to play darts with the priests and nuns from the St. Louis Cathedral.  They all drank Jamison, until they were crosseyed!  The most fun I have ever had with members of the clergy.  

I felt like I was in an alien universe!

Alcohol is a big deal here.  It's not such a big deal in other states.

It's like that all over Missouri, but obviously St Louis is more like that than the rest of the state.  I attribute it at least in part to the large German population of Missouri.  The state's relatively liberal alcohol laws (hard liquor behind the counter at QT!) are a reflection of this attitude.  I miss the Show Me State sometimes.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?

Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well.  And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.).  I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.

[TheTed]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?

Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well.  And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.).  I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.

Is there a law about bringing in beer from other states for personal consumption? I remember seeing some signs at state borders somewhere in another part of the country about cigarette bootlegging, which I think was illegal if you had more than a carton.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?

Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well.  And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.).  I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.

Is there a law about bringing in beer from other states for personal consumption? I remember seeing some signs at state borders somewhere in another part of the country about cigarette bootlegging, which I think was illegal if you had more than a carton.

I heard something that since the state of TN hiked their state cig. tax by a huge amount they are enforcing laws making it a high crime if your caught bring in and/or buying cigs from neighbor states such as KY... TN agents are watching stores near the state line and pulling over drivers they suspect of buying cigs in order to avoid paying the TN tax. They will seize your car for doing that. They are pretty darn serious about bootlegging. The law took effect about a year ago.

[sauerkraut]

The title of this thread reminds me of the opening song in the old Eastwood flick "Any Which Way You Can" The tune is called "Beers To You". It's a catchy number.[xx(]

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?

Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well.  And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.).  I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.

Actually there is a way.  All the cop needs to do is drink your beer and take note of the velvety flavor with the crisp delicious finish.  Then he could arrest you with a smile!

[Steve]

Just a bit of Oklahoma beverage history here, for anyone that cares.

Just prior to the repeal of national prohibition in 1932, the U.S. Congress legalized the sale of weak beer, or any alcoholic beverage of 3.2% alcohol content or less.  Thus creating the weak/strong cut off point at 3.2% alcohol.  Oklahoma voters ratified this as a change to the dry state consitution and allowed the sale of 3.2 or less beverages in Oklahoma in 1933, and created a set of laws governing these beverages.  They retained prohibition of any stronger beverages.

On 4-7-1959, Oklahoma voters finally repealed prohibition of alcoholic beverages stronger than 3.2% by volume, and created a new set of constitutional provisions for these.  The old regs regarding weak beer and beverages of 3.2% or less (now called low point) remained intact, much as they do today.  Oklahoma's hard liquor laws as adopted in 1959 were patterned as a virtual carbon copy of Kansas state laws, from when Kansas repealed prohibition in 1948.  It is still illegal in OK for liquor stores to advertise or have large signs, but they do now because of U.S. Supreme Court rulings on the subject about 25 years ago.

I spoke with my favorite local liquor store owner about the prohibition on refrigeration of any liquor store product.  Not surprisingly, he is in favor of keeping the status quo, for he does not want to be forced into installing refrigeration equipment.

     

[custosnox]

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

quote:Originally posted by TheTed

quote:Originally posted by custosnox

now the fun part about it, next time your drinking beer, find a cop, and ask them to prove it's 3.2

I was wondering about that. With all the different laws that apply to regular beer but not 3.2 beer. Do they have a test kit like the ones they use to tell whether your bag of meth is actually meth?

I would tell you the easy way to tell if it's 3.2 or not (other then taking the risk of drinking weak beer), but there might be a few cops looking on here, and I don't want to give away my advantage.  Though I'm sure several actually know how, it's pretty simple, there are enough that don't that I've got a good chance of getting away with it.

Obviously the OK+ on the can/bottle will let them know. But there's no way they could tell whether your cup of beer is 3.2 or not, is there?

Hey, no fair, I was having fun with this. lol oh well.  And your right, short of some actual test (which would mean either carrying around a test kit or taking the beer to a lab, or drinking it) there really is no way to tell if it is in some kind of unmarked container (ie cup, label peeled off etc.).  I'm just waiting to get pulled over on the return end of one of my trips to Misery, I mean Missouri, and the cop decide to take a closer look at the cases of beer in the back.

Is there a law about bringing in beer from other states for personal consumption? I remember seeing some signs at state borders somewhere in another part of the country about cigarette bootlegging, which I think was illegal if you had more than a carton.

got curious, so I looked it up.  You are allowed to bring in up to 1 liter of alcoholic beverages from another state for personal use.

http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=78103

Now how many cops out there know how many 12 oz cans of beer it takes to make a liter?

[RecycleMichael]

1 Liter = 33.81406 Fluid Ounces

If the alcoholic beverage was fine tequila, that would be over 22 (ounce and a half) shots. That would be plenty for my personal consumption.

[Red Arrow]

I believe the 3.2% law is by weight, not by volume. 3.2% by weight is approximately 4 % by volume.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by Steve


I spoke with my favorite local liquor store owner about the prohibition on refrigeration of any liquor store product.  Not surprisingly, he is in favor of keeping the status quo, for he does not want to be forced into installing refrigeration equipment.

Or competing with grocery stores and other vendors.  

The only value in the current laws is upholding the status quo for stake holders.  For liquor store owners, distributors, and the tax man.  They serve no other purpose I'm afraid.

Alcoholics still get drunk.
Kids get exactly as much alcohol as they want (and always have).
And there would be MORE choice, not less, with increased competition (the converse argument makes no sense).

I can't blame them, but the pressure to maintain the system is pocket motivated - nothing more.  Generally, a law that lines the pockets of a merchant is not good for consumers.  Not that I really have a problem with Ranch Acres (or other's) prices.  Bah!  Stupid archaic laws.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

quote:Originally posted by Steve


I spoke with my favorite local liquor store owner about the prohibition on refrigeration of any liquor store product.  Not surprisingly, he is in favor of keeping the status quo, for he does not want to be forced into installing refrigeration equipment.

Or competing with grocery stores and other vendors.  

The only value in the current laws is upholding the status quo for stake holders.  For liquor store owners, distributors, and the tax man.  They serve no other purpose I'm afraid.

Alcoholics still get drunk.
Kids get exactly as much alcohol as they want (and always have).
And there would be MORE choice, not less, with increased competition (the converse argument makes no sense).

I can't blame them, but the pressure to maintain the system is pocket motivated - nothing more.  Generally, a law that lines the pockets of a merchant is not good for consumers.  Not that I really have a problem with Ranch Acres (or other's) prices.  Bah!  Stupid archaic laws.

I also debated with him about allowing liquor store sales on Sundays.  (Blue Ridge Wine & Spirits at 31st & Sheridan.)  He is also in favor of "blue laws" and doesn't want to be forced, via competition, to be open on Sundays.  You are right, the laws as originally intended may have been noble to discourage consumption and appease the "dry" factor, but in this day and age, they just favor the pocketbooks of the retailers.  It seems rather ridiculous to me that you can buy all the cocktails you want on a Sunday in Tulsa county at a bar or restaurant, but the liquor stores must be closed.

My parents moved to Tulsa in early 1957, about 6 months before I was born.  I recall my dad talking about prohibition in Oklahoma for the 2 years they lived here before prohibition was repealed in April '59.  They liked it!  You could call your bootlegger and have nearly any liquor beverage you wanted, delivered to your front door 24/7 at competitive prices to any wet state.  That must have been why it took so long to repeal prohibition in OK.