Dems Celebrating Death and Destruction

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

BB and Guido, FOTD is the devil's advocate on this site. You are infringing on my terrortory!

The devil will turn the cheak because you are doing a masterful job of making McCain (R-Idiot) and Palin (R-Theocrat) look bad (not that they have not been making themselves look ridiculous!).

Keep up the good work!

Keep reaching you dunce....

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by guido911



Nothing to respond to here.

Yer d*mn right.  own3d.

Whatever. You might as well start yelling about the kool-aid.  

Try this next time....."Kool-aid!!!!!!!......Kool-aid......you're drinking Republican Kool-aid!!!!!!!"

I don't need to yell nuthin'.  Guido thinks he can call Biden a coward by using an article that totally sinks his argument.

Biden had asthma.

When he's called on it, he tries to change the subject.  What if I don't feel like playing that way?  What if next time somebody throws some bullsh*t in the air, we just call it "bullsh*t" and let it fall back down on his head?  What's the problem with that?

Bullcrap. I did not change the subject you jerk. Read all of my posts on the subject in their entirely. I stated that Biden had 5, count them, 5 deferments BEFORE he was declared medically unable to serve (I guess there was no job in the military for people who suffer from asthma). Now, did the article state he had five deferments that allowed him to stay out of service, yes or no. The answer is YES. That means he sought after and got five free passes from military service while others did not. He gets out of college, where he played football, and suddenly is unable to serve in the military because of teenage asthma. Perhaps if Biden was not such a noted liar, his asthma alibi might be believable. Indeed, it is funny that he apparently never mentioned his asthma in his memoirs, which I posted and you falsely charge as changing the subject.  

This whole thing began by FOTD calling Bush and Cheney chickenhawks. The foundation for Cheney being a chickenhawk was his academic deferments. Now, when it becomes known that Biden received the same deferments, it's excuse time for Chickensh*t.

 

Sinator Biden is so oily that we shouldn't bother drilling in ANWR.  

Just run a rag over his head periodically.  Then, wring out the rag......

Oil Crisis solved.

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[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Loving this.

Bookie.

[Nik]

Let's not forget the Focus on Family "christian" leader that prayed for rain during Obama's speech.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/12/praying-for-rain-in-denver/5

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

This is Michael Moore's exact quote:

    "I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven," Moore said, laughing. "To have it planned at the same time – that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities – at the top of the Mississippi River."

My citation in the initial post came from a Drudge link, sorry to dilute my source.

Here's your idol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJv9to8Kc2Q

Hey Guido! When did FDR serve? Why do you keep linking service with qualifications when there is no obvious link other than you and 'Ol Pappy served too?

Are you guys unable to see that the issues here are good judgement, people managing skills and an understanding of domestic and global world issues, and Obama leads in  those categories? You know he has legislative experience at a federal level. Look it up yourself if you can.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because we are a nation at war right now (which we weren't when FDR took office) and it would be nice to have someone with some military experience as commander in chief rather than a bunch of lawyers. This, by the way, should mean something since I am a lawyer.  Moreover, where do you get off claiming Obama has ANY understanding of global or domestic affairs? He has only been in the senate since 2004, and he has been running for president nearly full time since 2006. This guy chairs a committee that never conducted policy hearings. As to his judgment, I wonder if he still thinks the surge has failed.

Oh, yeah. That war on terrorism thing. Well then I guess LBJ wasn't qualified to fight the war on poverty either. And since FDR had no war to fight he was OK for battling the depression but we should have jettisoned him after Pearl Harbor. No service experience ya know. Your logic is pretty weak here.

But carry your logic farther. Lets take the bunch of lawyers who are useless in understanding the arcane intricacies of government, and swap them out for military brass! There must be some use for these well educated lawyers and since the military will be busy running the country we won't be wasting our talent pool. There ya go G, another political party platform.

Even weaker is the argument that he chaired a committee that never conducted policy meetings when Palin wasn't even on a committee at the federal level. Even so, if he holds hearings its a waste of time cause he doesn't understand anything anyway, but if he doesn't hold meetings then that's also bad!? Exactly how long since you've beaten your wife sir?

Weaker still is you doubting his understanding of foreign policy and world events. I read. I watch. I listen. Therefore I claim, and have every right to when I see a 'ol Pappy show he doesn't know who or where the players are around the world. Yeah, that Czeckoslovakia is a swell country. Hey, Liebster, which ones do we like, the Shiites or the Kurds? Ever heard him talk economics? "I have people for that". "You're not rich until you make $5million a year" Very reassuring. Like he has people to do his e-mail.

Weakest? He's only been in the Senate since 2004. True enough, though he had many more years in the Illinois legislature you must have missed. Years when Palin was...not in a legislative or executive position. On the board of the Assemblies of God if that counts. Years when 'Ol Pappy was actually opposing the Bush administration lunacies.

Once again I notice that none of the critics of Obama (around here) seem interested in touting McCain's legislative prowess, executive skills and judgement preferring instead to concentrate on creating fantasy histories for Obama. Why? It distracts folks from the key questions you don't want to address:

Are you happy with the last eight years of Republican administration?

Are you happy with the way the war was started and prosecuted by the Republican administration?

Are you worried about the loss or curtailment of freedoms and the resulting imbalance of powers in the past Republican administration?

Are you confident that McCain is capable of improving our economy to benefit the middle classes as well as the rich?

Do you think McCain is any different in attitude and outlook than the previous Bush administration?

Isn't McCain MORE OF THE SAME?

Have you had enough!?!?

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bullcrap. I did not change the subject you jerk. Read all of my posts on the subject in their entirely. I stated that Biden had 5, count them, 5 deferments BEFORE he was declared medically unable to serve (I guess there was no job in the military for people who suffer from asthma). Now, did the article state he had five deferments that allowed him to stay out of service, yes or no. The answer is YES. That means he sought after and got five free passes from military service while others did not. He gets out of college, where he played football, and suddenly is unable to serve in the military because of teenage asthma. Perhaps if Biden was not such a noted liar, his asthma alibi might be believable. Indeed, it is funny that he apparently never mentioned his asthma in his memoirs, which I posted and you falsely charge as changing the subject.  

This whole thing began by FOTD calling Bush and Cheney chickenhawks. The foundation for Cheney being a chickenhawk was his academic deferments. Now, when it becomes known that Biden received the same deferments, it's excuse time for Chickensh*t.

Why would a guy who was medically disqualified from military service need an "alibi", Guido?  

You ask if the the military has jobs for asthmatics.  No they do not, Guido. Here's an article about softening military standards due to the need for men to serve in Iraq:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/asthma.htm

quote:Asthma

Previously, any history of asthma was disqualifying, regardless of age. While medical waivers were sometimes possible, waiver approval usually required scheduling and passing a pulmonary function test. Under the new policy, Asthma is only disqualifying if it occurs after the applicant's 13th birthday.

Emphasis mine.  They are very persnickety about it and it looks like Biden's story fits right in with the rules.  It looks like he was telling the truth.  

You REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to smear this guy over asthma.  He might have had five deferments like Cheney, but unlike Cheney, they would not have made a difference.  Cheney chose to stay in college and let others do his fighting.  Biden, however, would have been disqualified for service due to a medical condition.  You can futz around with the timing as much as you want, but you can't unmake the fact that Biden had asthma as a teenager and that would have disqualified him from service at any point in time.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Loving this.

You took a quote from some dumbass poster at the Powerline forum and put "From AP" (a news agency) in front of it.

Since you won't own up to this blatantly dishonest action, i.e. show contrition, promise not to cheat again, etc., then we really have no way of knowing when you are lying, Gaspar.  Do you love it?  Do you hate it?  Should we even care?

[Gaspar]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Loving this.

You took a quote from some dumbass poster at the Powerline forum and put "From AP" in front of it.  AP is a news agency, a poster in a forum is not a news agency.

Since you won't own up to this blatantly dishonest action, i.e. show contrition, promise not to cheat again, etc., then we really have no way of knowing when you are lying, Gaspar.  Do you love it?  Do you hate it?  Should we even care?

No, I'm sorry for loosing track of my source, I was so mad, I was seeing green.  I apologize, I simply "misposted."

What I was loving is the fact that rather than focus on the absolutely repugnant words of Moore and Fowler, you chose to focus on where the report/post came from.  Well, now you can pick your source because it has been reported by everyone and people are demanding a formal apology from Fowler and his lackeys.

Fowler says he was just paraphrasing a statement made by Jerry Falwell during Katrina.  So now I find Fowler just as repugnant as Falwell.

Again I'm sorry that the source of my VERY TRUE story was incorrect.  The entertainment factor was how you chose to focus on that, rather than the VERY REAL words of VERY REAL people exposing them for what they are.

[waterboy]

Guido, I respect military service. Honestly, I do. My goal in HS was to make it into West Point. We had some cadets visit a small group of us in 1969 at the height of the war and I was so humbled to even be asked to meet with them. It didn't work out. You have to be recommended as you know by a Senator (campaign contributions or party involvement) or be so outstanding that you can't be ignored. I was neither. No enmity though, I went to college, got married, outlook changed, got a 2S then a married deferment. Then dropped both for a year and waited to be called. No one called, the draft disappeared.

On the internet I've been referred to as a draft dodger. Curious to me. I still love the trappings of the military and the excitement, disciplin and structure it offers young people.

But it isn't the only path available for patriots. I only say this because I know you see it as such. When you say something like, "It didn't keep him from playing football" I have to wince. I coached kids with inhalers in baseball who later played football. It didn't keep them back at all. But the military has more requirements than sports. You don't want a lost inhaler on the field of battle causing you and your buddies complications.

You're smart G and I don't think you're a fringe guy. You and the other repubs would do us all a favor by focussing on just why the McCain/Palin ticket is good for the country rather than attack Obama/Biden.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Gaspar

Loving this.

You took a quote from some dumbass poster at the Powerline forum and put "From AP" in front of it.  AP is a news agency, a poster in a forum is not a news agency.

Since you won't own up to this blatantly dishonest action, i.e. show contrition, promise not to cheat again, etc., then we really have no way of knowing when you are lying, Gaspar.  Do you love it?  Do you hate it?  Should we even care?

No, I'm sorry for loosing track of my source, I was so mad, I was seeing green.  I apologize, I simply "misposted."

What I was loving is the fact that rather than focus on the absolutely repugnant words of Moore and Fowler, you chose to focus on where the report/post came from.  Well, now you can pick your source because it has been reported by everyone and people are demanding a formal apology from Fowler and his lackeys.

Fowler says he was just paraphrasing a statement made by Jerry Falwell during Katrina.  So now I find Fowler just as repugnant as Falwell.

Again I'm sorry that the source of my VERY TRUE story was incorrect.  The entertainment factor was how you chose to focus on that, rather than the VERY REAL words of VERY REAL people exposing them for what they are.

You've got this opportunity here to talk about legitimate differences of opinion on policy matters of REAL importance.  Instead, you choose to smear people with half-assed conjecture, selective facts, misquotes, and apparently when necessary, lies.  

There is a line Gaspar...you can't be telling lies.  Let me break it down for you, since you seem to be unclear on the subject:  

1.  There are legitimate issues worthy of debate: Palin may not have the experience to step into the presidency,  

2.  And then there's bullsh*t innuendo and half-assed conjecture that really isn't worth talking about but people do anyway:  Palin chose to fly home from Texas to Alaska while in labor...yeah, right.  Bristol stayed home 5-8 months with "mono"...lmao,

3.  And finally, there are outright lies:  From AP, The baby belongs to Bristol and Todd.

If you can't tell the difference and/or think it doesn't matter, you are wrong.  The truth does in fact matter, no matter what Karl Rove thinks.  Don't attempt to lecture me on what I "focus on" when I catch someone in a lie.

When you tell a fib, you get a lecture, you don't give one.  []

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bullcrap. I did not change the subject you jerk. Read all of my posts on the subject in their entirely. I stated that Biden had 5, count them, 5 deferments BEFORE he was declared medically unable to serve (I guess there was no job in the military for people who suffer from asthma). Now, did the article state he had five deferments that allowed him to stay out of service, yes or no. The answer is YES. That means he sought after and got five free passes from military service while others did not. He gets out of college, where he played football, and suddenly is unable to serve in the military because of teenage asthma. Perhaps if Biden was not such a noted liar, his asthma alibi might be believable. Indeed, it is funny that he apparently never mentioned his asthma in his memoirs, which I posted and you falsely charge as changing the subject.  

This whole thing began by FOTD calling Bush and Cheney chickenhawks. The foundation for Cheney being a chickenhawk was his academic deferments. Now, when it becomes known that Biden received the same deferments, it's excuse time for Chickensh*t.

Why would a guy who was medically disqualified from military service need an "alibi", Guido?  

You ask if the the military has jobs for asthmatics.  No they do not, Guido. Here's an article about softening military standards due to the need for men to serve in Iraq:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/asthma.htm

quote:Asthma

Previously, any history of asthma was disqualifying, regardless of age. While medical waivers were sometimes possible, waiver approval usually required scheduling and passing a pulmonary function test. Under the new policy, Asthma is only disqualifying if it occurs after the applicant's 13th birthday.

Emphasis mine.  They are very persnickety about it and it looks like Biden's story fits right in with the rules.  It looks like he was telling the truth.  

You REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to smear this guy over asthma.  He might have had five deferments like Cheney, but unlike Cheney, they would not have made a difference.  Cheney chose to stay in college and let others do his fighting.  Biden, however, would have been disqualified for service due to a medical condition.  You can futz around with the timing as much as you want, but you can't unmake the fact that Biden had asthma as a teenager and that would have disqualified him from service at any point in time.

It was never about smearing Biden. It was about FOTD's charge that Cheney was a chickenhawk and how Biden, by definition, was a chickenhawk as well. You decided to stick your nose into that argument by trying to distinguish Biden's Vietnam dodging from Cheney.

Biden is a confirmed bigot, liar, and plagiarist. Those are not "smears" (which by way of illustration would be claiming that Palin's Down's baby Trig was actually her daughter's child or that she supported a Nazi sympathizer), those are legitimate attacks on his character.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy


You're smart G and I don't think you're a fringe guy. You and the other repubs would do us all a favor by focussing on just why the McCain/Palin ticket is good for the country rather than attack Obama/Biden.

Here is a thread I would like you to review:

http://www.tulsanow.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11179

Specifically, this post from that thread:

I think she is lying about the firing. Fast talking prevaricator. She called over 15 times to have her ex brother-in-law terminated. The chief resisted apparently and he was fired. Now its because he wasn't "productive"? Yeah, right. That stuff may pass in corporate ranks but not civil service. "At will" sure but you still have to defend yourself better than that.

Agree, this is about poor judgement by MC and poor vetting by his staff.

How do you put someone this close to the presidency who believes in teaching creationism in public schools. Is that the new direction she's taking the party? Same as the old direction.

Your hypocrisy is absolutely astonishing and speaks volumes to whatever credibility you think you have.

As for your respect for the military, stow it. I do not care.