Traffic fines in this city are warped.

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by Jonette

I have tried the waiting to turn left without entering the intersection and have had to sit thru a light 3 times one day. I was going insane. []

LOL, if I was in the car behind you that day, I would have pulled back into the middle lane and cut in front of you out in the left turn intersection!!

Glad to hear you don't do that anymore. As for people running yellow lights, Tulsa is the most docile yellow light running city I have ever driven in. Try Dallas sometime. []

When you are out there in the intersection waiting to turn left, you have to use your judgement as the light turns yellow on which approaching cars are driven by wolves, and which are driven by sheep.

Let the wolves pass, the lights now have a red-to-green intersection delay on them, so don't panic-you'll have time to clear it.

90% of Tulsa drivers are sheeple.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

quote:Originally posted by Jonette

I have tried the waiting to turn left without entering the intersection and have had to sit thru a light 3 times one day. I was going insane. []

LOL, if I was in the car behind you that day, I would have pulled back into the middle lane and cut in front of you out in the left turn intersection!!

Glad to hear you don't do that anymore. As for people running yellow lights, Tulsa is the most docile yellow light running city I have ever driven in. Try Dallas sometime. []

You don't get south much, do you? []

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

90% of Tulsa drivers are sheeple.

95%, anyone vote for more?

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

You don't get south much, do you? []

Actually I live in south Tulsa. Sheeple central.

The WORST spot is the northbound exit off 169 at 71st street, merging east.

If you are exiting to the right, there is an additional 3rd lane built from the exit on--there is no yield sign whatsoever--so that the right-turn exiting cars can continue straight on into traffic and merge left as they need to in order to get to Target, Chic-Filet, or whatever. The Cinemark Theatre is on the right.

BUT... exiting without yielding is NOT something a typical south-Tulsan sheeple can do. They are not wired to do this, and therefore 9 out 10 drivers will stop in front of an open lane here and wait for the middle lane to clear up before they exit onto 71st street eastbound.

It drives me absolutely bonkers-insane to exit behind these people. I lay on the horn and shout at their stupidity and docility. It is un-naturally docile, something is wrong with drivers around here. They lack any type of forward-motion conception.

They seem to not mind spending all day in their cars. It completely baffles me.

[inteller]

I agree with your frustration there, but I can also tell you why they do it, because people coming from Garnett will dive into the lane you speak of to turn into best buy.  a person who continues into that lane without yielding (as is their right) risks getting side swiped by an overly eager best buy shopper.  What I will typically do (if it is clear) is go up to the light and make a hard right (which you are entitled to do as well).  in fact because so many people stop in that lane you speak of, I can usually go up and make a hard right and get ahead of them eastbound.

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

You don't get south much, do you? []

Actually I live in south Tulsa. Sheeple central.

The WORST spot is the northbound exit off 169 at 71st street, merging east.

I was referring to the yellow light runners. Don't get me wrong, I'll go through a yellow light if the alternative is hard braking, but I won't when it's been 3 seconds since it's turned yellow and I'm just as likely to end up running a red light than making the yellow.

And to be fair, at that particular spot if you need to get over to the far left lane in heavy traffic to turn left at the light to go to Target, proceeding is a sure way to miss your turn unless you're like me and have no trouble driving in Boston. I'm not a ma**hole by birth, but I could pass if I could get the accent right. []

[sauerkraut]

Tulsa fines are not bad, some places on the east coast really zap ya. VA has speeding fines of $1,000 for residents and much less for non-residents. The one good think Oklahoma did was to get rid of those silly motor vehicle safety inspections, remember that big pain? Texas still has those safety inspections and smog testing on top of that. [B)]

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut
The one good think Oklahoma did was to get rid of those silly motor vehilde safety inspections, remember that big pain?

Oh, those inspections that meant cars had brakes and lights that actually work. Oh, those inspections that protected our air quality by keeping smoking cars.

Oh, those inspections that helped keep our Oklahoma highways safe?

[Red Arrow]

The Oklahoma State Vehicle Inspection that I remember was mostly a joke. Sure they checked the lights, horn, muffler, and tires but that was about it.  Need tires? Borrow some from a friend. Didn't hit the wall or car in front of you? Brakes are fine. Suspension ready to fall apart? No problem. Exhaust less smokey than a mosquito sprayer, good enough. Finding someone willing to have an inspection license, problem. Finding someone willing to actually inspect the car for the price they were allowed to charge, see the comment above about the inspection being a joke.

If you have some quantitative statistics to prove there are more collisions due to faulty equipment now than when we had inspections, please post them.  I haven't noticed any significant increase in poorly maintained vehicles anywhere where the good ole boy network wouldn't have allowed them on the street anyway.  As for exhaust, I can almost always tell when I am following one domestic brand of diesel pickup from the smell. I guess they go out of tune.  I don't usually see visible smoke, I can just smell it.  I don't believe the inspections we had would have stopped that.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut
The one good think Oklahoma did was to get rid of those silly motor vehilde safety inspections, remember that big pain?

Oh, those inspections that meant cars had brakes and lights that actually work. Oh, those inspections that protected our air quality by keeping smoking cars.

Oh, those inspections that helped keep our Oklahoma highways safe?

The inspections did none of the above and the state was only receiving $1 per inspection to try to keep the whole thing going. I put cars through the inspection process that made Fred Flinstone's car look well kept and modern. The only time I was ever threatened with "failing" is at those place that told you "you have a tailight out and either we can fail you or we can replace it for $12.

[Red Arrow]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle
The only time I was ever threatened with "failing" is at those place that told you "you have a tailight out and either we can fail you or we can replace it for $12.

At least the option to fail and go somewhere else to fix it existed. When our family lived in PA, (prior to Aug 1971) if the car failed, it was not allowed on the streets until the discrepancy was fixed. Almost all cars needed windshield wipers or to have their headlights aligned.  Same basic problem as here, mandated inspection at a State set price which didn't cover the labor to do the inspection.

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

...VA has speeding fines of $1,000 for residents and much less for non-residents... [B)]

Virginia implemented draconian fines when the state legislator balked at raising taxes to pay for much needed road maintenance.  It was not a popular nor successful means of getting the money, and it was repealed earlier this year if I recall right.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

The Oklahoma State Vehicle Inspection that I remember was mostly a joke. Sure they checked the lights, horn, muffler, and tires but that was about it.  Need tires? Borrow some from a friend. Didn't hit the wall or car in front of you? Brakes are fine. Suspension ready to fall apart? No problem. Exhaust less smokey than a mosquito sprayer, good enough. Finding someone willing to have an inspection license, problem. Finding someone willing to actually inspect the car for the price they were allowed to charge, see the comment above about the inspection being a joke.

If you have some quantitative statistics to prove there are more collisions due to faulty equipment now than when we had inspections, please post them.  I haven't noticed any significant increase in poorly maintained vehicles anywhere where the good ole boy network wouldn't have allowed them on the street anyway.  As for exhaust, I can almost always tell when I am following one domestic brand of diesel pickup from the smell. I guess they go out of tune.  I don't usually see visible smoke, I can just smell it.  I don't believe the inspections we had would have stopped that.

Many state inspection systems were open to corruption that is why some states that had them got rid of them, Arkansas, South Carolina got rid of them. I lived in Texas back in the 1980's and the inspection system there worked on the "Buddy System" if you knew a guy who worked at a gas station or service center he'll give you a inspection sticker without a inspection. At shopping malls you'd see cars with a brand new inspection sticker with bad tires and broken tail lights and things like that, I don't know if Texas changed their inspection system or not since I left, Ohio has no safety inspections.. Besides once you pass a inspection your head lights can burn out the next day, or someone can break your tail light or whatever and your driving around defective.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Red Arrow

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle
The only time I was ever threatened with "failing" is at those place that told you "you have a tailight out and either we can fail you or we can replace it for $12.

At least the option to fail and go somewhere else to fix it existed. When our family lived in PA, (prior to Aug 1971) if the car failed, it was not allowed on the streets until the discrepancy was fixed. Almost all cars needed windshield wipers or to have their headlights aligned.  Same basic problem as here, mandated inspection at a State set price which didn't cover the labor to do the inspection.

Exactly- That is what I got nailed for everytime when I lived in Texas wiper blades and head light alignments. Every year I got a new headlight alignment and wiper blades or they would not pass me. Texas now has smog testing on top of safety inspections, That's one thing I don't miss about Texas, good riddence on that.[xx(]

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by Hawkins

quote:Originally posted by nathanm

You don't get south much, do you? []

Actually I live in south Tulsa. Sheeple central.

The WORST spot is the northbound exit off 169 at 71st street, merging east.

If you are exiting to the right, there is an additional 3rd lane built from the exit on--there is no yield sign whatsoever--so that the right-turn exiting cars can continue straight on into traffic and merge left as they need to in order to get to Target, Chic-Filet, or whatever. The Cinemark Theatre is on the right.

BUT... exiting without yielding is NOT something a typical south-Tulsan sheeple can do. They are not wired to do this, and therefore 9 out 10 drivers will stop in front of an open lane here and wait for the middle lane to clear up before they exit onto 71st street eastbound.

It drives me absolutely bonkers-insane to exit behind these people. I lay on the horn and shout at their stupidity and docility. It is un-naturally docile, something is wrong with drivers around here. They lack any type of forward-motion conception.

They seem to not mind spending all day in their cars. It completely baffles me.

71st and highway 169 has one of the longest traffic light around Tulsa- if your going eastbound on 71st your stuck for a long red, that is one reason people run red lights, too long a red- Then sometimes at  intersections around Tulsa the left turn arrow goes on when there are no cars making a left turn holding up the traffic in the oppiset direction.