Re: Jewel Bar

[Limabean]

The Jewel Bar on Brookside has obtained a permit to pit a bar  on it's roof. The Jewel  is asking the city for some of the sidewalk so they can put the staircase on the outside of the building.
Is having a rooftop bar in Brookside a good idea at the expense of the public sidewalk a good idea?

[ARGUS]

not so much for this address. bruHouse yes; jewel;NO!

[cannon_fodder]

I've never been to that establishment... but if it takes up a little sidewalk to make the area seem more urban while increasing business, sales tax revenue, and the value of the tax base - it is fine with me.  So long as it doesn't render the sidewalk useless or make pedestrians go out in traffic.

And I have no problem what so ever with a rooftop bar anywhere in the city.  In fact, I wish there were more of them (Collection: rooftop deck on game day would be awesome!).

[Townsend]

I'm surprised it was allowed.

I think roof top bars all over Tulsa would be great.

Are they able to do this without being wheelchair compliant?

[nathanm]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend


Are they able to do this without being wheelchair compliant?

Unless the bar is only upstairs, I don't think ADA applies. Now, if you can't get a wheelchair in the front door, that's different.

[Michael71]

I'm trying to look it up now, but I think they're "grandfathered in".  Regulations changed in the 80's(?) that require a elevator if you have a second floor.  Don't think they can make you put an elevator on the outside of an old building, but, if you do one...then you have to do the other.

e.g.--you can't make the front entry compliant to ADA regulations without making your restrooms, etc...compliant.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelWayne_71

I'm trying to look it up now, but I think they're "grandfathered in".  Regulations changed in the 80's(?) that require a elevator if you have a second floor.  Don't think they can make you put an elevator on the outside of an old building, but, if you do one...then you have to do the other.

e.g.--you can't make the front entry compliant to ADA regulations without making your restrooms, etc...compliant.

My understanding has always been that if the bar downstairs serves the same as the bar upstairs, I don't think there is an issue.  It's a matter of equal accomodation.  A handicapped person doesn't have to have access to the entire building.

[sgrizzle]

Like stated before, ADA isn't an issue. I think I saw the drawings on this. It's not a club environment or standing room only wall-to-wall drunks but rather a bar and a bunch of tables with a nice view.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Like stated before, ADA isn't an issue. I think I saw the drawings on this. It's not a club environment or standing room only wall-to-wall drunks but rather a bar and a bunch of tables with a nice view.

Thought it was here, but I remember reading concerns about a rooftop beer garden where scantily-clad women would toss beads or napkins down on unsuspecting sidewalk dwellers like they do in n'awleans.  
We should be so lucky.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Like stated before, ADA isn't an issue. I think I saw the drawings on this. It's not a club environment or standing room only wall-to-wall drunks but rather a bar and a bunch of tables with a nice view.

Thought it was here, but I remember reading concerns about a rooftop beer garden where scantily-clad women would toss beads or napkins down on unsuspecting sidewalk dwellers like they do in n'awleans.  
We should be so lucky.

The staircase is between the bar and the sidewalk if I remember correctly. They would have to have a good arm.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Limabean

The Jewel Bar on Brookside has obtained a permit to pit a bar  on it's roof. The Jewel  is asking the city for some of the sidewalk so they can put the staircase on the outside of the building.
Is having a rooftop bar in Brookside a good idea at the expense of the public sidewalk a good idea?

If I remember correctly, the building has a segment of its front that goes in from the rest a few feet. The stairs would be placed in that segment and would not go out further than the rest of the building. They could put an entrance or wall there and it would be flush with the rest of the building.

[Limabean]

Maybe the person who "thinks they may have seen" a drawing on this could post it for us?
Why would they have to ask the city for some of the sidewalk if the staircase is flush with the rest of the building?
I would think a reduction in an already narrow sidewalk would be a deterrent to pedestrians.
Doesn't the Brookside Plan address this ?