Security at the BOK Center

[Cats Cats Cats]

lol.

First of all, if you parked in the vast swatches of empty lots near McNelly's it is only a 10 minute walk to the BOk center.   If you parked at the ridiculously large lots between TCC and Boston Ave. Church you it is a 15 minute walk.  More often than not, you'll be able to find something closer.

Second, move to North Dakota.  There is never an event in the entire state you can't park within 3 minutes of.  Notably because there is never an event in the state.

Third - what is your proposed solution?  Have less events?  Or level more buildings for parking?  Frankly if parking becomes an actual problem we will have more parking ramps - which increases both the density of the area, the urban landscape (if done right the space as a whole), and the tax base of the city.

Fourth, I don't like walking 15 minutes either really.  But I consider it part of the price of admission to a big event.  A concert at the BOk center, Oktoberfest, a TU game . . . let alone really big events (OU football, concert festival, etc).  You have to either consider it part of the experience or pay to get around the problem (monthly parking pass at the  Courthouse if you really can't stand it).

I don't know what parking was like 30 minutes before Elton John.  Maybe it was fine.  My point is, if you park at TCC parking lot it will take you 15 minutes to get to Joe Momma's .  Then another 10 minutes to the BOK.  25 minutes is a lot of walking time if you are scheduled for something that starts after work.  If people feel rushed they will find other eating arrangements next time.  I am saying that just because you can walk from point a to point b without the use of a canteen doesn't mean that it is a good parking spot for events.  I am not even saying that there is a parking problem.  Just that the 15-20 minute walking distances spots shouldn't be considered for BOK/Baseball event parking.  But really very few people or businesses would want you to do it when you could be spending money in their store or having an extra beer.

I haven't been to events late enough to even know if the parking garages next to the BOK center even fill up for events.  I just don't think 25 minutes of walking to eating areas to baseball/concerts are too far to be included in the "parking"

Build on existing parking and consolidate some to another parking garage (when and if we need it).  I just like having a plan of where I am going and how long it takes me to get there.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Just to clarify, I am not saying that there needs to be more parking right now or ever.  I just don't like the idea that any parking space anywhere in downtown is good enough for some events.  Luckily we have enough parking we could do Mayfest + Concert at BOK + Brady concert at the same time (I would imagine) because we have such a wide area of parking.

[cannon_fodder]

I understand what you are saying.  But if you plan it out you can avoid the problem.  Park near the Blue Dome or int he Brady District if you want to eat first.   No need to park as far away from both of your destinations as possible - particularly if you are going early enough to eat before hand.  Accept the challenge, find the good parking places!

The problem is that Tulsa can not design parking downtown for peak loads to be convenient.  It just isn't economical.  Building a super ramp next to the BOk Center so it can be filled every other month is a huge loss of money for both the new structure and existing structures.

Maybe someone needs to start a valet parking service in the area, using OSU Tulsa or some other semi-far flung lot as the parking area.  Or you could call the rickshaw company to meet you at your car.  Always wanted to do that.

[sgrizzle]

Downtown Circulator

I thought I read that universally every downtown that is active or being revitalized has a regular bus/trolley loop, except Tulsa.  It would allow people to take it to the office in the morning or the concert at night. You just up the bus frequency at peak times/major events.

Think a square with corners 1st and Detroit and 11th and Denver.

[Cats Cats Cats]

The problem is that Tulsa can not design parking downtown for peak loads to be convenient.  It just isn't economical.  Building a super ramp next to the BOk Center so it can be filled every other month is a huge loss of money for both the new structure and existing structures.

It is too bad there isn't more business to use a structure like that.  Hopefully in the future!  Right now, I don't think we have too many parking lots because I think it is impossible to have too many parking lots when you have too many vacant buildings!  You can always build something on a parking lot...  (But you don't need to tear a building down to make another one)

[Cats Cats Cats]

It is too bad there isn't more business to use a structure like that.  Hopefully in the future!  Right now, I don't think we have too many parking lots because I think it is impossible to have too many parking lots when you have too many vacant buildings!  You can always build something on a parking lot...  (But you don't need to tear a building down to make another one)

We have so much parking so spread out that most people 1) wouldn't know where to go to pick it up and 2) it would be so slow if it stopped every other block.

[Red Arrow]

Downtown Circulator

I thought I read that universally every downtown that is active or being revitalized has a regular bus/trolley loop, except Tulsa.  It would allow people to take it to the office in the morning or the concert at night. You just up the bus frequency at peak times/major events.

Think a square with corners 1st and Detroit and 11th and Denver.

A Downtown Circulator is a chicken & egg.  We can't afford a circulator until we  have the business & VS.  I agree we need one. I don't know what the best route(s) would be.  Service would need to be frequent enough that no one looked at a schedule, they just go to the stop and wait.

See also the proposal by SWSX:

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=6643.msg123737#msg123737

[Enid]

You couldn't find anyone to go?  Good grief call me!