"Nothing Wrong" with Tasering baby

[kongsuni]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

What's wrong with that?  Do you know how loud those suckers can cry?

LMAO []

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

If you shoot someone and they block with a baby, that's not your fault.

Exactly. [^]

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

If you shoot someone and they block with a baby, that's not your fault.

Well, now that you mention it, I did see someone do something like that in a movie somewhere...

It looks like Adair County is somewhat less willing to cover for these cowboys than Oklahoma County is:

STILWELL, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities are trying to locate four Oklahoma County bounty hunters who are wanted on 10 felony charges each, including kidnapping. Adair County prosecutors charged Christopher Caley, Patrick Caley, Scott Dilley and Shane Woods each with four counts of kidnapping, four counts of feloniously pointing a firearm, one count of blackmail and one count of possessing a firearm during commission of a felony.

An affidavit says the four work for Two Blondes Bail Bonding in Oklahoma City.

An affidavit accuses the four of stopping Justin Fisher and Amanda Bilbery as they were leaving a Watts mobile home park and forcing Fisher to the ground with a handgun. Bilbery and her two young siblings remained in the vehicle.

Fisher told sheriff's deputies the bondsmen asked him for the whereabouts of Bilbery's uncle, Clifton Ross, who apparently failed to appear in court.

Fisher alleges he was forced into a sport utility vehicle and made to take the occupants to the home where Ross was staying.

Prosecutors say Fisher wasn't the person the bounty hunters were looking for.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by tulsa1603

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

If you shoot someone and they block with a baby, that's not your fault.

Im sitting in a car with a baby on my lap; someone  shoots through the window in my direction and they hit whom?

Parents go to jail for accidentally leaving kids in cars.  Did the bounty hunter have absolutely no responsibility regarding the consequences of his actions?  Can you just fire away and not have to answer for  collateral damage?

i agree with you.  In a hostage situation, if a woman were holding a baby, I highly doubt the police would fire shots at the woman simply due to the RISK that the baby might get in the way.  I doubt the guy shot off the taser, THEN the woman moved the baby in the path as a shield - she couldn't have had time to do that.

At Ruby Ridge, Idaho, Randy Weaver's wife was shot in the HEAD and killed with a high-powered rifle by a FBI Sniper, WHILE HOLDING HER INFANT BABY IN HER ARMS.

Police Standard Operating Procedure.

Just following procedure...............Nothing to see here.....Just move along.

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[greywolf45]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

We should probably run that by "Dog, the bounty hunter" and see what he says.

Good Idea.

[greywolf45]

"What's wrong with that? Do you know how loud those suckers can cry?"

Yeah, i do,i raised 7 of my own, and am having to raise 2 of my grandbabies.However, for the sake of argyment, let's say that BOTH of the darts had made contact with the child, what would folks say to that.

[greywolf45]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Thats a good point Patric, but the arrest for child endangerment seems to indicate that the police think he is trustworthy.  All I know is that the woman is a criminal and the man is paid to bring her in.  Both have strikes I guess.  So, I guess I do not really know about either side here, so I should have abstained from judgment on either side.

Then again, you could be accused of lending credit to a woman who is wanted on a warrant and put up some resistance with her child in her arms.  Perhaps we  both lent credit where it may not be due.

Cannon Fodder, the article in the Tulsa World newspaper said that the bounty hunter was after the guy in the car, not the woman, and the guy was the one with the warrent, not the woman. Just thought i would point that out.

[greywolf45]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

If you shoot someone and they block with a baby, that's not your fault.

Well, now that you mention it, I did see someone do something like that in a movie somewhere...

It looks like Adair County is somewhat less willing to cover for these cowboys than Oklahoma County is:

STILWELL, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities are trying to locate four Oklahoma County bounty hunters who are wanted on 10 felony charges each, including kidnapping. Adair County prosecutors charged Christopher Caley, Patrick Caley, Scott Dilley and Shane Woods each with four counts of kidnapping, four counts of feloniously pointing a firearm, one count of blackmail and one count of possessing a firearm during commission of a felony.

An affidavit says the four work for Two Blondes Bail Bonding in Oklahoma City.

An affidavit accuses the four of stopping Justin Fisher and Amanda Bilbery as they were leaving a Watts mobile home park and forcing Fisher to the ground with a handgun. Bilbery and her two young siblings remained in the vehicle.

Fisher told sheriff's deputies the bondsmen asked him for the whereabouts of Bilbery's uncle, Clifton Ross, who apparently failed to appear in court.

Fisher alleges he was forced into a sport utility vehicle and made to take the occupants to the home where Ross was staying.

Prosecutors say Fisher wasn't the person the bounty hunters were looking for.

I think i'll dig my 30-06 out of storage, and have my class 3 FFL renewed.

I believe that the bail bonds companies that   employ these imbiciles should be held accountable for the actions of the people who work under them. A pitty that a few idiots give the rest of the bounty hunters a bad rep.

[patric]

I wonder if this is the same guy?
Has all the earmarks: Wreckless cowboying, censored reports, cart-blanche from police....

From NewsOk:


Oklahoma City police were called Wednesday night to a northeast-side apartment to help a bounty hunter with an apprehension that didn't go as was planned.

Gary Keith Duke, 58, a security officer, private investigator and bounty hunter, instead told police about the one that got away.

Duke said he was at Marie McGuire Plaza apartments tracking a 280-pound man, whose name was not released in a police incident report.

The bounty hunter said he spotted the man and followed him outside until they were away from other people. Duke said he didn't identify himself but instead approached the man from behind. When he was within about five feet, he reportedly used a stun gun on the man's back, but it had no effect.

The man then ran inside an apartment building and got onto a crowded elevator. Duke told police he was able to stop the elevator doors from closing and ordered everyone off the elevator before he started fighting with the man. According to the police report, the bounty hunter said no one would help him.

Eventually the man punched Duke in the face twice, then jumped into a vehicle that was waiting for him in the parking lot.

Duke told police he fired a single round at one of the vehicle's tires but missed.




In the same paper was a related story about a medical examiner who found  a Texas man's death was directly due to tasering:


FORT WORTH, Texas — The police officer who used a Taser on a mentally ill man who died as a result of the two high-voltage shocks will not be disciplined and remains on patrol, the Fort Worth police chief said Friday.

Police Chief Jeff Halstead said the administrative investigation into the April 18 death of Michael Patrick Jacobs Jr. is closed but declined to comment on it. He said he turned it over to the district attorney and expects a grand jury to review the case next month.

If Officer Stephanie A. Phillips were to be indicted or convicted, the 17-year police veteran would face disciplinary action, Halstead said.

Jacobs' family had called police that day to report a disturbance because he had not been taking his medication for bipolar disorder, relatives have said. Officers said he became combative.

In August, the medical examiner ruled that Jacobs' death was a homicide. Phillips stunned the 24-year-old with a Taser twice — the first time for 49 seconds and the second time for 5 seconds, with a 1-second interval between the shocks, according to the Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office report.

Neither paramedics at the scene nor emergency room personnel could revive him, and he was pronounced dead about noon — an hour after police used the Taser, the report said.

Tasers issue a 50,000-volt shock that over-stimulates the nervous system and causes muscles to lock up, temporarily immobilizing a person.

An autopsy concluded that the primary cause of death was "sudden death during neuromuscular incapacitation due to application of a conducted energy device," and said no traces of alcohol or drugs, electrolyte imbalances, or signs of heart or lung disease were found — all of which can be contributing factors in a death.

[Quinton]

Why is the bounty hunter after a person ? Maybe a criminal to begin with ? Who is at fault because they are a law breaker ? Lets hear the liberals get fired up.

[custosnox]

Please don't lump all Bounty Hunters into one catagory, and for the love of gawd don't take dog as being the prime example of a bounty hunter.  I hunted for several years, and wish I could continue to do so.  I will hold judgment on this since the details are extremely sketchy, and in the moment all kinds of things can happen that it's hard to know the exact extent of if you are not involved.  The story does not even tell why the hunter thought he needed to tase her, even though it does mention a gun being dropped at some point during the encounter.  This might have played a part, it might now. 

As for accountability, I have always believed that we needed a better system for the bounty hunters here. The only law on the books concerning them is that any from out of state must be escorted by a licensed bondsman.  That's it.  No license, no registration, no rules, nothing. I have always felt that some kind of regulations on this would produce much better bounty hunters.