South Tulsa Toll Bridge - Creek Nation (Again)

[Red Arrow]

now that you mention it....Tulsa should build a huge flood levee on the south side of 121st....about 20 ft high should do it...you know, just in case someday the AR river might flood.

Again.  Remember the 80s?

[Red Arrow]

That would certainly discourage the bridge.

Maybe not.  Depends on how high it's planned to be built.  It may discourage the accompanying  development some.

[custosnox]

Just a random thought on this, but if your not a Creek citizen, and you run the toll, and they don't catch you while on Creek land, do they even have the authority to force you to pay?  If they send you a ticket for running the toll, what could they even do if you chunk it in the trash? 

[Vashta Nerada]

Just a random thought on this, but if your not a Creek citizen, and you run the toll, and they don't catch you while on Creek land, do they even have the authority to force you to pay?  If they send you a ticket for running the toll, what could they even do if you chunk it in the trash? 

You would end up like the musician who was falsely arrested for defacing the flag, by the tribal marshal.....they would turn you over to the county sheriff and you would be in jail with someone doing a cavity search on your butt.   

[custosnox]

You would end up like the musician who was falsely arrested for defacing the flag, by the tribal marshal.....they would turn you over to the county sheriff and you would be in jail with someone doing a cavity search on your butt.   

If they were to stop someone before they had left land that was in Trust they could do this, but otherwise they have no jurisdiction when they are not on trust land. 

[waterboy]

Drifting.

[Red Arrow]

Drifting.

With the tumbling tumble weed.

[patric]

If they were to stop someone before they had left land that was in Trust they could do this, but otherwise they have no jurisdiction when they are not on trust land. 

There was a TW story about prisoners not being routinely cavity searched because it was illegal, but that's exactly what Rogers county did to the the musician who was arrested at the casino.  ...so Im guessing tribal and local police have pacts at different levels. 

[patric]

If they were to stop someone before they had left land that was in Trust they could do this, but otherwise they have no jurisdiction when they are not on trust land. 

What trust land?


According to the Osage County Assessor's Office, the Million Dollar Elm casinos in Tulsa... are owned by the tribe, which pays property tax on the land, but the land was never put in trust or under restricted status with the federal government

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100412_11_A1_Gamble789115

[swake]

What trust land?


According to the Osage County Assessor's Office, the Million Dollar Elm casinos in Tulsa... are owned by the tribe, which pays property tax on the land, but the land was never put in trust or under restricted status with the federal government

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100412_11_A1_Gamble789115

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. The Osage Nation contends that its reservation (the whole of Osage County) was never truly dissolved like the other reservations in Oklahoma were.  For example, the Osage Nation never gave up any mineral rights for the whole of the county. Therefore the contention is that all the land in Osage County that is owned by the tribe is restricted land. The tribe contends that there is no need for them to ask the BIA to place any land owned by the tribe inside the county into reserved status, because it's already reserved.

The Osage Nation lost a court case regarding this issue at the appellate level recently, but the case is far from over.

[custosnox]

What trust land?


According to the Osage County Assessor's Office, the Million Dollar Elm casinos in Tulsa... are owned by the tribe, which pays property tax on the land, but the land was never put in trust or under restricted status with the federal government

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100412_11_A1_Gamble789115

If that is true, then the tribal police there have no more authority then a secuirty guard at the mall.  However, this means that they are operating their machines illegally since the compact requires the land be in trust or at a racetrack.  The cherokee casino in catoosa actually has one wall that was built at an odd angle to make it stay inside the trust land.

[Rico]

It's quite a bit more complicated than that. The Osage Nation contends that its reservation (the whole of Osage County) was never truly dissolved like the other reservations in Oklahoma were.  For example, the Osage Nation never gave up any mineral rights for the whole of the county. Therefore the contention is that all the land in Osage County that is owned by the tribe is restricted land. The tribe contends that there is no need for them to ask the BIA to place any land owned by the tribe inside the county into reserved status, because it's already reserved.

The Osage Nation lost a court case regarding this issue at the appellate level recently, but the case is far from over.

Thanks for the explanation.