The Best Way to Halt Abortion

[Teatownclown]

IS THROUGH BIRTH CONTROL!

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE:

Oklahoma Students Shown A Movie Comparing Abortion To The Holocaust
By Amanda Peterson Beadle on May 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm  Students at a public Oklahoma high school were given copies of a movie that compares abortion to the Holocaust after a local family asked the principal if they could distribute the DVDs to students, according to a local TV station. The movie begins with images of Hitler and concentration camps before making a comparison between the Holocaust and abortion.
The principal agreed to hand out the anti-abortion film, titled 180, if students obtained parental consent first, but the copies were handed out before parents were notified. One parent told Fox 23 heard about it from her stepdaughter:
"She said that she had seen a DVD in school that basically said that if you have an abortion then you are no better than the Nazis and you will go to hell," says concerned parent, Marty Angus.
Angus was furious after his stepdaughter came home and told him she had seen it in class.
"She said well, we went to our lockers on break and there was a note that said come pick up your free DVD," says Angus.
Officials confiscated the movies after realizing how graphic the movie was, but two classrooms saw it first. "I thought it was graphic and a clear violation between church and state and it was just awful to be shown to a high school student," Marty Angus, whose stepdaughter saw the movie in class, told Fox 23.
The Christian ministry Living Waters produced the movie. When it was released in 2011, the Anti-Defamation League called the fillm "one of the most offensive and outrageous abuses of the memory of the Holocaust we have seen in years."

"No shame, no patriotism, no respect for freedom or the law: the right wing is nothing but a collection of criminals and lunatics." Ron Murray

"This is the kind of thing we can look forward to with a GOP administration -- they already believe we are a "christian" nation, ignoring the secularism of government. The American taliban, a.k.a christian evangelicals, would continue practices like this with support from the legislatures."
Marie Harris

Okies are a laughing stock...

[Conan71]

Abortion is a holocaust on the poor, minorities, and probably future liberals.  Ever read the statistics as to who primarily gets abortions? 

[Red Arrow]

Abortion is a holocaust on the poor, minorities, and probably future liberals.  Ever read the statistics as to who primarily gets abortions? 

Are you saying it's not just rich white women who want to avoid the social stigma of an unplanned pregnancy?

[patric]

The "Sperm Hitler" joke was the first thing that came to my mind,
but here's the original story:

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Movie-comparing-abortion-to-the-Holocaust-shown/QXe8XbPZ3EmGI_ETKKtGsA.cspx

[Teatownclown]

Abortion is a holocaust on the poor, minorities, and probably future liberals.  Ever read the statistics as to who primarily gets abortions?  

Do you think it's any of your business who gets an abortion and who doesn't?

patric, thanks for posting the link. WAGONER? What a bold statement "taking full responsibility" makes.

The crazies are winning! in Oklahoma.

(edit: Conan, ever think about the fact that those that can afford an abortion are not part of your stats....duh)

[Conan71]

(edit: Conan, ever think about the fact that those that can afford an abortion are not part of your stats....duh)

In an independent survey, 10 out of 10 fetuses are against abortion.

Plenty of poorer people are able to scrape together the cash to get an abortion.  Normal first trimester abortions are $350 to $550 according to the interwebz.  It would be cheaper to responsibly use BC pills or rubbers don't you think?

Equivocating whether it's cheaper for the rest of us to pay for an abortion or pay for social programs for that child should it go full term is pretty barbaric.  Placing a higher value on money over life?  Wow.

[Teatownclown]

Back to reality and our thread topic here, Maureen Dowd does a nice job putting this into perspective in todays NYT:

OP-ED COLUMNIST
Here Comes Nobody
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: May 19, 2012 169 Comments

I ALWAYS liked that the name of my religion was also an adjective meaning all-embracing.

I was a Catholic and I wanted to be catholic, someone engaged in a wide variety of things. As James Joyce wrote in "Finnegans Wake:" "Catholic means 'Here comes everybody.' "

So it makes me sad to see the Catholic Church grow so uncatholic, intent on loyalty testing, mind control and heresy hunting. Rather than all-embracing, the church hierarchy has become all-constricting.

It was tough to top the bizarre inquisition of self-sacrificing American nuns pushed by the disgraced Cardinal Bernard Law. Law, the former head of the Boston archdiocese, fled to a plush refuge in Rome in 2002 after it came out that he protected priests who molested thousands of children.

But the craziness continued when an American priest, renowned for his TV commentary from Rome on popes and personal morality, admitted last week that he had fathered a child with a mistress.

The Rev. Thomas Williams belongs to the Legionaires of Christ, the order founded by the notorious Mexican priest Marcial Maciel Degollado, a pal of Pope John Paul II who died peppered with accusations that he sexually abused seminarians and fathered several children and abused some of them.

The latest kooky kerfuffle was sparked by the invitation to Kathleen Sebelius, the health and human services secretary, to speak at a graduation ceremony at Georgetown University on Friday. The silver-haired former Kansas governor is a practicing Catholic with a husband and son who graduated from Georgetown. But because she fought to get a federal mandate for health insurance coverage of contraceptives and morning-after pills, including at Catholic schools and hospitals, Sebelius is on the hit list of a conservative Catholic group in Virginia, the Cardinal Newman Society, which militates to bar speakers at Catholic schools who support gay rights or abortion rights.

The Society for Truth and Justice, a fringe Christian anti-abortion group, compared Sebelius to Himmler, and protesters showed up on campus to yell at her for being, as one screamed, "a murderer."

"Remember, Georgetown has no neo-Nazi clubs or skinhead clubs on campus, nor should they," Bill Donohue, the Catholic League president, said on Fox News. "But they have two — two! — pro-abortion clubs at Georgetown University. Now they're bringing in Kathleen Sebelius. They wouldn't bring in an anti-Semite, nor should they. They wouldn't bring in a racist, nor should they. But they're bringing in a pro-abortion champion, and they shouldn't."

Washington's Cardinal Donald Wuerl called the invitation "shocking" and upbraided the Georgetown president, John DeGioia. But DeGioia, who so elegantly defended the Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke against Rush Limbaugh's nasty epithets, stood fast against dogmatic censorship.

Speaking to the graduates, Sebelius evoked J.F.K.'s speech asserting that religious bodies should not seek to impose their will through politics. She said that contentious debate is a strength of this country, adding that in some other places, "a leader delivers an edict and it goes into effect. There's no debate, no criticism, no second-guessing."

Just like the Vatican.

Twenty-eight years ago, weighing a run for president, Mario Cuomo gave a speech at Notre Dame in which he deftly tried to explain how officials could remain good Catholics while going against church dictums in shaping public policy.

"The American people need no course in philosophy or political science or church history to know that God should not be made into a celestial party chairman," he said.

I called Cuomo to see if, as his son Andrew weighs running for president, he felt the church had grown less tolerant.

"If the church were my religion, I would have given it up a long time ago," he said. "All the mad and crazy popes we've had through history, decapitating the husbands of women they'd taken. All the terrible things the church has done. Christ is my religion, the church is not.

"If they make the mistake of saying that a politician has to put the church before the Constitution on abortion or other issues, there will be no senators or presidents or any other Catholics in government. The church would be wiser to take the path laid out for us by Kennedy than the path laid out for us by Santorum."

Absolute intolerance is always a sign of uncertainty and panic. Why do you have to hunt down everyone unless you're weak? The church doesn't seem to care if its members' beliefs are based on faith or fear, conviction or coercion. But what is the quality of a belief that exists simply because it's enforced?

"To be narrowing the discussion and instilling fear in people seems to be exactly the opposite of what's called for these days," says the noted religion writer Kenneth Briggs. "All this foot-stomping just diminishes the church's credibility even more."

This is America. We don't hunt heresies here. We welcome them.

Wagoner County has no business doing what their doing....it's insanity's game at play.