Riverside Shooting

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Pretty hard to pass judgement without being an eyewitness and whether or not this Turney fellow showed a weapon while they were driving down Riverside or implied he had a weapon or said he was going to kill Gumm when he confronted him.  

If Turney was amped up on something other than adrenaline and Gumm is not in great health, he may have felt his gun was the only way to defend himself.  He parked and got hemmed in, he had no way to escape in his vehicle, he was the proverbial "sitting duck".

Everyone wants to say they would react a certain way but you will never know until you are actually in that situation.  Adrenaline is a very, very powerful stimulant.

Hmmmm....

[daddys little squirt]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Pretty hard to pass judgement without being an eyewitness and whether or not this Turney fellow showed a weapon while they were driving down Riverside or implied he had a weapon or said he was going to kill Gumm when he confronted him.  

If Turney was amped up on something other than adrenaline and Gumm is not in great health, he may have felt his gun was the only way to defend himself.  He parked and got hemmed in, he had no way to escape in his vehicle, he was the proverbial "sitting duck".

Everyone wants to say they would react a certain way but you will never know until you are actually in that situation.  Adrenaline is a very, very powerful stimulant.

Hmmmm....

Well, lets hear from the witnesses. He paints a story that suits his defense. We have to take his word because no warning shots were fired and the man is dead. He says he pulled the gun to de-escalate but why have no witnesses come forward to defend him? He was able to walk around his truck "two or three times" but no witnesses came forward at the time to help him either. Perhaps they didn't think he was in too much danger? Or just chickens**t voyeurs. He perceived mortal danger from words and macho puffing not another gun or weapon. His perception caused the death of another human and is being sanctioned by law. All I can say is don't intimidate people smaller or older than you cause if they get scared, they can kill you if they choose.

I think an amendment should be added to the stand your ground law. The one who shoots a man point blank under such circumstances should have to clean up the blood, bone fragments, organs etc. that spill out onto the ground and dispose of them legally. Lets add some responsibility for his actions.

[Conan71]

That's up to the DA to decide whether or not Gumm could have reasonably expected he was in mortal danger.  Plenty of people have been beaten and kicked to death with nothing more than fists and feet used for weapons.  Just because witnesses have not spoken to the media, doesn't mean the police haven't talked to them, nor the DA.

He may still be held accountable even if no charges are ever brought:

SFAIK, Turney's survivors can still file a wrongful death lawsuit, even if no criminal charges are filed.  I'd be surprised if they aren't already talking to an attorney.  Of course, if Mr. Gumm has no significant assets nor an income other than SSI, they are pretty much SOL even if they get a judgement.

[tulsacyclist]

We can 'monday morning quarterback' this to death (no pun intended) but none of us were in his shoes and felt the feelings and emotions he felt at this time..

Given what we know of this situation however..

I'd like to think I would have done the same thing this man did, except I'd not have used the gun as a means to deter my aggressor. I think that was a mistake. I'd think I'd have drawn and fired immediately. By drawing and not immediately firing he put himself and everyone else around in more danger. The alleged aggressor could have taken the gun and used it on him or a struggle for the gun could have began possibly resulting in accidental firing of the gun into the crowd, street, etc. Also, as far as I know "You're history" coming from someone who is obviously very angry and upset would generally classify as a thread on a life. When you die, you become history.

I'm glad my wife and I both have our CCLs and proper training so we can defend ourselves from a threat on our lives.

[tim huntzinger]

Shooter speaks to KOTV.

[Conan71]

Gumm looks to be in pretty good shape for a 67 y/o.  If I ran into him on the street I'd have guessed him no older than 55.  At least I know what he looks like, I'll be sure not to back him into a corner. []

[Conan71]

[tim huntzinger]

Shooter talks to FOX23

[Conan71]

Thanks for a mid-morning break to look at Chera Kimiko []

I thought KOTV's story was better.  Fox got scooped again.

[tim huntzinger]

You are a naughty NAUGHTAY boy 71!

Does it seem shooter's story shifts slightly between the two statments?

In one the 6 reporter says that shooter says he had no idea anything was up, on fox he says he saw the guy in his rear view mirror.

Niether story brings up brunoflip's discovery on oscn about his prev brushups with Johnny Law.

[tulsacyclist]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger



Does it seem shooter's story shifts slightly between the two statments?

In one the 6 reporter says that shooter says he had no idea anything was up, on fox he says he saw the guy in his rear view mirror.

I agree, I thought that was kinda odd too.

[Conan71]

He is wearing the same clothes in both interviews, either his wardrobe is limited, or they likely shot both interviews the same day.

I agree it makes you wonder.  I'm not making excuses, just various reasons his recollections are different in the two stories.

I could see where editing can make the story seem different, or nervousness from being on camera.  Keep in mind, news stations often shoot 20 minutes of film and distill it into a 2 minute or less story.

I'm willing to bet the whole episode is a blur in his mind.  I can think of high-adrenaline "fight-or-flight"-type moments in my past where I remember it slightly different from one time to another, and other times, the details seem real blurred.

Or he might be a rat and can't keep his story straight.

How long does a DA have to bring charges?