Tulsa leading Oklahoma City

[AMP]

While checking on available dates for our motorsports events around the state, I have discovered the Oklahoma City Fair Gronds is no longer allowing Motorsports Events to be conducted inside any of the buildings on the Fairgrounds as in the past.  Blame is pointed to improper ventilation.  

Forward thinking Tulsa engineers and with help from Vision 2025 the ventilation problem seems to of been addressed at the Tulsa Expo Building.  The Livestock Arena also was engineered for proper ventilation as there have been several motorsports events produced in there.

[cannon_fodder]

While I am not impressed with the "we beat OKC!" angle, I am glad our city had the foresight to consider the importance of the Chili Bowl and other events in the buildings utilization.  

Its sad that I am in awe of government foresight.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

While I am not impressed with the "we beat OKC!" angle, I am glad our city had the foresight to consider the importance of the Chili Bowl and other events in the buildings utilization.  

Its sad that I am in awe of government foresight.

Let me save you the anquish.

A couple of years ago, during one said inside event at Expo, a fan happened to bring her own personal CO detector to the event. When it hit 600ppm, she called 911 (seems 130ppm-180ppm is enough to kill you, mild posioning of headaches and dizziness can occur at concentrations of less than 100ppm).

The building was vacated, and the County was forced to install proper ventilation equipment if they intended to continue with such events.

I'm presuming perhaps the County learned something by that experience and newly planned building additions were thoughtfully planned with proper ventilation.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

A couple of years ago, during one said inside event at Expo, a fan happened to bring her own personal CO detector to the event. When it hit 600ppm, she called 911 (seems 130ppm-180ppm is enough to kill you, mild posioning of headaches and dizziness can occur at concentrations of less than 100ppm).

The building was vacated, and the County was forced to install proper ventilation equipment if they intended to continue with such events.

Was this the case where county officials were criticized for allegedly refusing to let EMSA on the premises to answer an emergency call?

[Johnboy976]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle
I'm presuming perhaps the County learned something by that experience and newly planned building additions were thoughtfully planned with proper ventilation.

At least they learned.

[AMP]

Actually the problem started with the request that the doors remain closed to keep the sound levels down.  Four large baffle systems for each overhead door that allowed air in while keeping the noise in as well were designed and bulit.  They were vented from the top.  

Those were used for a season or two.  The building had vents on the roof for as long as I can remember when we produced the Monster Truck and Arenacross events in there.  But the rule was to keep the doors closed.  The addition of mechanical louvered vents allowed the existing exhaust fans on the roof to actually do their job.  

Wonder if those baffles still exist?  That may be a way to address the use of the buidings in at the OKC Fairgrounds.  I use the fire department volunteers for our events, so we have EMTS on had at each round.  They also carry CO2 meters and we keep the doors open at our shows.  May be colder, but the air is kept circulated.

[AMP]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

While I am not impressed with the "we beat OKC!" angle, I am glad our city had the foresight to consider the importance of the Chili Bowl and other events in the buildings utilization.  

Its sad that I am in awe of government foresight.

Let me save you the anquish.

A couple of years ago, during one said inside event at Expo, a fan happened to bring her own personal CO detector to the event. When it hit 600ppm, she called 911 (seems 130ppm-180ppm is enough to kill you, mild posioning of headaches and dizziness can occur at concentrations of less than 100ppm).

The building was vacated, and the County was forced to install proper ventilation equipment if they intended to continue with such events.

I'm presuming perhaps the County learned something by that experience and newly planned building additions were thoughtfully planned with proper ventilation.

I recall the emergency people responding to that call.  Turned out the person that called in had purchased a ticket and use a credit card.  Their address was on file and they lived directly across from the Expo.  So I believe they had another motive other than the health of the spectators, most of who had attened that event for the past 20 years and were aware of the atmosphere at a motorsports event held indoors.  

Never saw the building evacuated while I was there.  They built the ventilation baffles that night and ran the follwing day with no problems.

[Vision 2025]

There is more to it than just more ventilation.  

The Chili Bowl is a WINTER event so when you bring in enough outside air to keep the fumes flushed out via the new ridge vents (and it takes a bunch of warm air to get the Co2 to rise and exit the building) you have to first be able to bring in a sufficient volume of air (which the old air handlers were not capable of with the doors closed) and second be able to HEAT that huge volume of fresh air or you are going to freeze your toes off  (which happened during the interim year that all of the improvements were not yet on line).

The new central plant allows the EXPO building to be heated with a HUGE increase in COLD outside air being introduced which the OLD plant was not capable of.

About now the Chili Bowl is typically selling out for the year's event.

[Oil Capital]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

While checking on available dates for our motorsports events around the state, I have discovered the Oklahoma City Fair Gronds is no longer allowing Motorsports Events to be conducted inside any of the buildings on the Fairgrounds as in the past.  Blame is pointed to improper ventilation.  

Forward thinking Tulsa engineers and with help from Vision 2025 the ventilation problem seems to of been addressed at the Tulsa Expo Building.  The Livestock Arena also was engineered for proper ventilation as there have been several motorsports events produced in there.

Wow!  There it is right in front of us... Tulsa's new slogan...

"The Indoor Motorsports Capital of Oklahoma"

;-)

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Oil Capital

quote:Originally posted by AMP

While checking on available dates for our motorsports events around the state, I have discovered the Oklahoma City Fair Gronds is no longer allowing Motorsports Events to be conducted inside any of the buildings on the Fairgrounds as in the past.  Blame is pointed to improper ventilation.  

Forward thinking Tulsa engineers and with help from Vision 2025 the ventilation problem seems to of been addressed at the Tulsa Expo Building.  The Livestock Arena also was engineered for proper ventilation as there have been several motorsports events produced in there.

Wow!  There it is right in front of us... Tulsa's new slogan...

"The Indoor Motorsports Capital of Oklahoma"

;-)

i'm more interested in autosport events like open track racing than the dirt crap they have at the fairgrounds.  it brings out a totally different type of crowd.  events like F1 and touring car events are glamourous.....these chili bowl events are nascar and redneck.


if we could just transplant Hallett closer to Tulsa....

[AMP]

We just leave the doors open and the exhaust fans running at the majority of the rodeo arenas where we produce races.  

Heat, if any,  is provided by wood burning stoves or smudge pot type kerosene heaters in the majority of these buildings I have seen in Oklahoma.  I would say heat is a luxury in most.

Main advantage to racing indoors in the Winter is the roof.  It keeps the track dry so participants that travel from four states away know the race is going to happen. Dirt Tracks don't work in wet weather very well. Other than that we would be outdoors racing as it is obviously not the heat or lack of in the building that draws our crowds.  

Asphalt Road Racing runs rain or shine, we ran at one road race track last February outdoors when the temperature was 29 degrees in the afternoon.    

Redneck.... Taken a look around lately?

http://www.slideroll.com/slideshows/members/amp/gallery/
We are way beyond red neck!  LOL

RED NECK HOT TUB

[mspivey]

Inteller, I can see you've never been to the Chili Bowl. For that matter, how many F1 races have you been to? If you had I'm sure you would have seen 50 to 100 thousand people camping out the night before the race. They may have been drinking wine and eating cheese, but race fans are the same the world over. If you go to the races at Hallett, you will find fewer rich peeps than you will at Creek County. I know, Inteller is just trying to rile us up.

As far as OKC vs Tulsa. I'm from OKC and you never heard much about a rivalry except when they tried to create it with the hockey teams. OKC envy seems to be common here.

[AMP]

Photo Slide Show from the Pits at the OK Corral Indoor Arena

http://www.slideroll.com/publish.php?s=vwhs4fzs&browse=1&ref=0

Videos of the races:

Videos of Last Seasons Races:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KqVk3Q1Gek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3aJ-UtZGzM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDqSEOZ_ZTQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEPLRknfqO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB710ce0xDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhOnBLKKRgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62TT_Dq95fU&mode=related&search=

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Anyone have access to used 55 Gallon Metal Drum Barrels in the Oklahoma City area? Need two or four welded head units to convert into wood burning heaters for the pit area at the OK Corral.

Anyone handy with this type of project near Tulsa or OKC that would be willing to help?

www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_20894_20894
Barrel Stove Kit

www.eagletradingpost.com/hwdr/hwdr3.htm
Photo and diagram.





PARTS IN RED COME WITH THE KIT - NEED TO BE INSTALLED

ENGINEERS - Can we burn Methanol Fuel in this type of heater instead of wood ?




First and last races of the series the weather has been decent, however during the winter months a couple of extra heaters such as these may help. First Race is Oct 6th then Oct 20th,
weather should be cool then but not cold. Need the heaters by the November 3rd race most likely.

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Attend the 5th Annual AMP Outlaw Winter Nationals
Oct-April 2007-2008
OK Corral Indoor Arena - Lightning C Arena - Action Horse Arena - Bryan County Fairgrounds - Commanche County Fairgrounds
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[Noodlez]

Oh wow those heater pics bring back memories, my grandpa used to have one of the double ones he used to heat his garage, it sure could put off a lot oh heat.

[cannon_fodder]

The methanol would not be a good fuel for a couple of reasons:

#1) the barrels are not fire proof like a furnace, with enough heat you will eventually burn a hole through them.  Methanol (with the right air mixture) burns very, very hot.

#2) If a hole is punched/burned in it or it gets bumped by the cars/equipment inherent in a pit area the liquid fuel would spill out and spread over the floor (and a methanol flame is nearly invisible).  Other items in the pit tend to be flammable and thus could end poorly.

just my thoughts.