Pearl District & form based codes

[pmcalk]

For those who didn't hear, last week at the TMAPC meeting it was announced that the mayor has officially requested that INCOG begin a trial program for formed based codes in the Pearl District.  Next step will be to hire a consultant to draft the ordinances, and begin the process.  It will still take some time before it actually happens, but the ball is rolling.  It will be interesting to see the effects.

[Renaissance]

Glad to hear it.

[Rico]

How does anyone think this will affect the asking price for Mister K's property...? ( and I don't mean Kanbar..)

That area could become a Booming little suburb...

[}:)]

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

How does anyone think this will affect the asking price for Mister K's property...? ( and I don't mean Kanbar..)

That area could become a Booming little suburb...

[}:)]

Dont know the person our property you are referring to, but from what I hear many of those properties are already too high. If they stay the same, it wont make any difference, if the prices go higher, wont make any difference. People still wont pay those prices. Easier to take your money and go south or to other areas where you will be able to make more money.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:Originally posted by Rico

How does anyone think this will affect the asking price for Mister K's property...? ( and I don't mean Kanbar..)

That area could become a Booming little suburb...

[}:)]

Dont know the person our property you are referring to, but from what I hear many of those properties are already too high. If they stay the same, it wont make any difference, if the prices go higher, wont make any difference. People still wont pay those prices. Easier to take your money and go south or to other areas where you will be able to make more money.

The person owns most of the stuff  from 6th and Peoria East along 6th Street.... Don't know the exact holdings he has...

Point was.

The price has always been high... He bought most of them when there was nothing but slum in that area.

I think if their can now be "mixed use development "by right"... The prices will begin to look more attractive to people that have had an interest in the property for quite some time...

"Easier to take your money and go south or to other areas where you will be able to make more money.">>>The Artist.

Yeah always kinda figured you to be one of those "Burbanites"...



[8D]

[TheArtist]

That is a good point that a person can feel more confident that when they build something in the area, once the form based codes are in, they will not get a neighbor who will do something that will not compliment them. You will be more assured that something decent will go in next to you, have proper set backs, parking behind, etc.


I have always been a firm advocate of downtown and mid-town revitalization and infill. It perterbs me that some old property owners just sit on their property waiting for the next oil boom or whatever in the hopes that they will make some money on it often while the property falls further into ruin. It used to be that downtown may have been "the" place to build the next office tower, mixed use development, ballpark, or urban center. But I just want those old timers to know that times have changed. They could very well sit on those properties till they die. The reality is that office towers can easily go in south Tulsa. Thats not a bias, thats a fact. A ballpark can go by the river or in Jenks. Jenks wasnt a player 15 years ago. Times have changed. While some developers are holding on to their properties expecting some big east end urban development to go in downtown thinking they can get high prices...I hope they got a bit of a wake up call when Jenks landed the River District. Those types of things do not have to go downtown anymore. Those old property owners imo need to face reality. They are actually hindering growth from growing and evolving downtown. I do not like that one bit. I was stating that people can more easily and more profitably build out south in the hopes that they will realize that and perhaps loosen their greedy little paws a bit and more easily allow growth to happen in and around downtown. Otherwise we could stay in this stupid stalemate for another decade or more.

Also, as I have stated before, I do not begrudge or demean urban growth or people who want to live an urban lifestyle. Urban and suburban growth can be done either well or poorly. I personally would rather die than live in some suburb lol. But thats my personal choice. I hope that suburbanites will not begrudge or demean urban growth or people who want to live an urban lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks. I think Tulsa is lacking in urban lifestyle options and that it would greatly benefit Tulsa to have good urban lifestyle and living options.  We are running out of room as a city for suburban growth so it must naturally begin to be that if we want people to move to our city it must begin to offer good urban lifestyle choices and begin to more adequately compete with other cities on that front.

I am not against suburban dwellers and how they want to live, and I do not think its right for them to be against me and what I want. I do believe that we can all work together to make Tulsa have a full range of good, quality, options, both good suburban options and good urban options as well.

[Conan71]

Anyone know if Kay Rahal still owns properties along 6th St?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

How does anyone think this will affect the asking price for Mister K's property...? ( and I don't mean Kanbar..)

That area could become a Booming little suburb...

[}:)]

Hazy Club Nitro daze, K? Crazy George Usdin is ringing in my ears.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Anyone know if Kay Rahal still owns properties along 6th St?

That he does....  I haven't seen him in a while though... Maybe we are on different flight paths at the time.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Rico

How does anyone think this will affect the asking price for Mister K's property...? ( and I don't mean Kanbar..)

That area could become a Booming little suburb...

Strange you mention the "Nitro"... went to a Wedding there once..... I think it was White.

Hazy Club Nitro daze, K? Crazy George Usdin is ringing in my ears.

Strange you mention the "Nitro"... went to a Wedding there once..... I think it was White.

[}:)]

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

That is a good point that a person can feel more confident that when they build something in the area, once the form based codes are in, they will not get a neighbor who will do something that will not compliment them. You will be more assured that something decent will go in next to you, have proper set backs, parking behind, etc.


I have always been a firm advocate of downtown and mid-town revitalization and infill. It perterbs me that some old property owners just sit on their property waiting for the next oil boom or whatever in the hopes that they will make some money on it often while the property falls further into ruin. It used to be that downtown may have been "the" place to build the next office tower, mixed use development, ballpark, or urban center. But I just want those old timers to know that times have changed. They could very well sit on those properties till they die. The reality is that office towers can easily go in south Tulsa. Thats not a bias, thats a fact. A ballpark can go by the river or in Jenks. Jenks wasnt a player 15 years ago. Times have changed. While some developers are holding on to their properties expecting some big east end urban development to go in downtown thinking they can get high prices...I hope they got a bit of a wake up call when Jenks landed the River District. Those types of things do not have to go downtown anymore. Those old property owners imo need to face reality. They are actually hindering growth from growing and evolving downtown. I do not like that one bit. I was stating that people can more easily and more profitably build out south in the hopes that they will realize that and perhaps loosen their greedy little paws a bit and more easily allow growth to happen in and around downtown. Otherwise we could stay in this stupid stalemate for another decade or more.

Also, as I have stated before, I do not begrudge or demean urban growth or people who want to live an urban lifestyle. Urban and suburban growth can be done either well or poorly. I personally would rather die than live in some suburb lol. But thats my personal choice. I hope that suburbanites will not begrudge or demean urban growth or people who want to live an urban lifestyle. Different strokes for different folks. I think Tulsa is lacking in urban lifestyle options and that it would greatly benefit Tulsa to have good urban lifestyle and living options.  We are running out of room as a city for suburban growth so it must naturally begin to be that if we want people to move to our city it must begin to offer good urban lifestyle choices and begin to more adequately compete with other cities on that front.

I am not against suburban dwellers and how they want to live, and I do not think its right for them to be against me and what I want. I do believe that we can all work together to make Tulsa have a full range of good, quality, options, both good suburban options and good urban options as well.

There, there... Artist.. It was a simple spelling error..

I meant "Bourbon-ite"..[8D]

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Anyone know if Kay Rahal still owns properties along 6th St?

That he does....  I haven't seen him in a while though... Maybe we are on different flight paths at the time.

Seemed like if we showed up after 10pm, Kay would be plowed.  He'd start fumbling w/ the door money if I was with a large group, and would finally manage to get out: "Hell, just go on in and make sure you buy plenty of beer..."

Great memories aside, I think this sounds like good news for the area.

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Rico

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Anyone know if Kay Rahal still owns properties along 6th St?

That he does....  I haven't seen him in a while though... Maybe we are on different flight paths at the time.

Seemed like if we showed up after 10pm, Kay would be plowed.  He'd start fumbling w/ the door money if I was with a large group, and would finally manage to get out: "Hell, just go on in and make sure you buy plenty of beer..."

Great memories aside, I think this sounds like good news for the area.

Also.. Sounds like something larger than a 50 caliber round to be used against Seay and Company... if needed.

[booWorld]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

For those who didn't hear, last week at the TMAPC meeting it was announced that the mayor has officially requested that INCOG begin a trial program for formed based codes in the Pearl District.  Next step will be to hire a consultant to draft the ordinances, and begin the process.  It will still take some time before it actually happens, but the ball is rolling.  It will be interesting to see the effects.

Any updates on this process?  Also, exactly where will the trial program be allowed?  Have the geographic boundaries been established?