New BMW520d gets better gas mileage then Prius

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

Or alternatively Tulsa could reposition themselves as a green auto show.  let nothing in the building that gets less than 25 combined.

You could hold that show in the Mayo lobby.  Even then the people would come because it was in the Mayo, not for the cars.

I worked for a dealership years ago that was adamant on sending sales people to the show.  The return was minimal.  That might be a reason why many of the dealers aren't represented well.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by inteller

Or alternatively Tulsa could reposition themselves as a green auto show.  let nothing in the building that gets less than 25 combined.

You could hold that show in the Mayo lobby.  Even then the people would come because it was in the Mayo, not for the cars.

I worked for a dealership years ago that was adamant on sending sales people to the show.  The return was minimal.  That might be a reason why many of the dealers aren't represented well.

i really could care less if the dealers are represented.  I want good manufacturer representation.  but if it takes the local dealer to get that representation then so be it.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

i really could care less if the dealers are represented.  I want good manufacturer representation.  but if it takes the local dealer to get that representation then so be it.

So be what?  You do or you don't?

Manufacturers don't send true reps in a level 3 or 4 market like Tulsa.  We don't even get "coming soon" cars here from most manufacturers.  You're best bet is to stay glued to the screen you're viewing now.

[inteller]

that might be the case today, but the car I own today was a "coming soon" car at the Tulsa Auto show.  I only went back one year after that (2003/2004 I think).  I have heard it went way down hill.

However, if Tulsa rides through the economic downturn better than other areas I think you will see more coming soon cars at the show, unless it is run by complete idiots, which it may be.

and where do you arrive to the conclusion that Tulsa is a "level 3 or 4" market?  Did you pull that out of a fact book or your donkey?

[YoungTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

that might be the case today, but the car I own today was a "coming soon" car at the Tulsa Auto show.  I only went back one year after that (2003/2004 I think).  I have heard it went way down hill.

However, if Tulsa rides through the economic downturn better than other areas I think you will see more coming soon cars at the show, unless it is run by complete idiots, which it may be.

and where do you arrive to the conclusion that Tulsa is a "level 3 or 4" market?  Did you pull that out of a fact book or your donkey?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

Notice our MSA's ranking, at 55.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

that might be the case today, but the car I own today was a "coming soon" car at the Tulsa Auto show.  I only went back one year after that (2003/2004 I think).  I have heard it went way down hill.

However, if Tulsa rides through the economic downturn better than other areas I think you will see more coming soon cars at the show, unless it is run by complete idiots, which it may be.

and where do you arrive to the conclusion that Tulsa is a "level 3 or 4" market?  Did you pull that out of a fact book or your donkey?

All it takes is a showing of numbers...we get enough people there, our market will bring in the right manufacturers.  There's the rub though...people won't show up in number without the cool cars from the right manufacturers.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Diesel.  

There are many models out there that get better mileage than the hybrids - especially for highway use.  35-45 mpg for a new diesel is not uncommon, some of the new VW diesels get 50 mpg.  The engines and drive trains are much more reliable, the vehicles proven, and less expensive.  

Not too mention in the long run they are much better for the environment.  Not only do they use less gas in many instances, but they lack the dual systems required for hybrids AND last longer (reducing manufacturing pollution).

Hard to find good ratings, since most do not include diesel next to gas.

Have a look at the bluemotion VWs. My family has two Volkswagens and the quality is simply amazing. They cost more, but will last as long as you want them to and have great economy. My first car was a 1982 VW polo and we sold it to someone local, I still see it around. You can also look at Skodas, which are just cheaper rebadged VWs.

My university lecturer swears that if you took the electric engine and battery out of the Prius it would have a better mpg on a normal cycle. It is a light car thats weighed down by all the stuff. It has however proven you can sell an electirc car and make money so I don't hate it.