CNN Article: Oklahoma's painful car culture

[deinstein]

CNN article

Nice!

[deinstein]

We have the last two cities in the nation...

Even Arlington, TX...the largest city in the country with no public transportation beats us.

So go ahead and keep preaching that this place is a great city and we have some sort of progressive edge. We don't. And we bash OKC so much, because they are the only city worse than us.

Classic.

[Townsend]

http://tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10368

[deinstein]

Didn't see it, as the story makes more sense in development where I searched. Being that it has to do with...our lack of development.

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

Didn't see it, as the story makes more sense in development where I searched. Being that it has to do with...our lack of development.

Just trying to help you out.

[Cubs]

I don't think its so bad .... I mean if you actually live in the Tulsa area, you can't live that far from your job.
If you live in the suburbs of a big city, you still have to drive or pay for a bus to the train station and then pay for a train ticket ... public transportation isn't free either.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Townsend

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

Didn't see it, as the story makes more sense in development where I searched. Being that it has to do with...our lack of development.

Just trying to help you out.

I suppose that came across stand offish. That article infuriated me, because I'm sick of the lack of progress this city is making.

Anyhow, I apologize for that quick response nonetheless.

[bacjz00]

FWIW...I think this thread belongs here in development.  If this city approves 2 billion dollars for improvement without a single dime going towards any mass transit initiatives, I'll probably be sick to my stomach.

[inteller]

well pull out your pepto cause it is gonna happen.

Tulsa's car culture isn't going away.  There will be some paint, and then super efficient hybrids and electrics will get us out of the pinch.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

We have the last two cities in the nation...

Even Arlington, TX...the largest city in the country with no public transportation beats us.

So go ahead and keep preaching that this place is a great city and we have some sort of progressive edge. We don't. And we bash OKC so much, because they are the only city worse than us.

Classic.

Sorry.  I don't see significant differences in Tulsa and OKC's "car culture" versus that of Fort Worth, Nashville, Arlington, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Memphis, and Louisville...

The only difference between Tulsa and Indianaplis is SIZE (Indy has a much larger population and "sprawls" alot more than Tulsa)... but has a bus service that goes later into the evening and starts earlier in the morning.  It has ZERO light rail; and ZERO commuter rail.

If we want to talk about "sustainable growth," is it too much to ask that we at least have a THREE DIMENSIONAL CONVERSATION about it?!?

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/american_community_survey_acs/001695.html

New York Has Longest Commute to Work in Nation,
American Community Survey Finds

New York City residents spend an average of about one full week a year getting to work — the longest commute time in the nation among large cities, according to a new ranking of American Community Survey data released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.

New York City residents take an average of 38.4 minutes to get to work each day — more than five minutes longer than Chicagoans, who face a commute of 32.7 minutes.

Other large cities with populations of 250,000 or more with long commutes include Philadelphia (30.3 minutes), Riverside, Calif. (29., Baltimore (29.7), Washington, D.C. (29.4), San Francisco (29.2), Oakland, Calif. (29.1), Los Angeles (28.5) and Boston (28.2). (See Table 1.)..........

.....Only a handful of large cities have an average commute of 20 minutes or less; these include Toledo, Ohio (18.1 minutes), Lexington, Ky.(18.0), Oklahoma City (17., Omaha, Neb. (17.3), Tulsa, Okla. (16. and Wichita, Kan. (16.5)...

The TulsaNOW organization can either try to have an intelligent discussion on the subject or they can resort to the kind of polarizing politics that will use south Tulsa, east Tulsa (not to mention Jenks, BA, Owasso) as a scapegoat.... a scapegoat for problems that have more to do with midtown Tulsa's lack of urban density than anything remotely involving a suburban "car culture"...

[USRufnex]

My personal views are pretty close to this blogger's opinions...

http://theurbanophile.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-rail-transit-plan-for-indianapolis.html