Lamson's Lament

[RecycleMichael]

One of the best kids baseball movie was titled, "The Bad News Bears".

Just another coincidence?

There is a group in town called the Driller Bears. They are a gay social group for "bears and their admirers."  http://www.drillerbears.com/Index2.htm

Just another coincidence?

[waterboy]

Bear, I visited those entrepreneurs locations before Spaghetti Warehouse et.al. I was younger and dumber. It was closer to what Conan says. Skid row dude. Don't diminish what they did or what we're trying to do downtown by saying they just grabbed onto the coat tails.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Bear, I visited those entrepreneurs locations before Spaghetti Warehouse et.al. I was younger and dumber. It was closer to what Conan says. Skid row dude. Don't diminish what they did or what we're trying to do downtown by saying they just grabbed onto the coat tails.

It's possible we're referring to different time periods.

In the very early 1990's, a few risk-taking entrepreneurs opened RESTAURANTS in OKC in what is now called Bricktown.

Spaghetti Restaurant was one of the first, if not the first, to build there in an old brick warehouse.

Building on their previous success in using an old cotton warehouse in what was by then known as:

The Dallas West End.  Buy an old brick warehouse real cheap; Remodel it and open a restaurant in an old brick warehouse. Same kind of deal.  Same company.

Then, Piggies showed up, and later Cocina de Mina moved it.

Then, many more bars and restaurants started opening up there, because Bricktown had BECOME a DESTINATION.

MAPS followed shortly AFTERWARDS, as a PUBLICALLY FINANCED initiative, on the previous success of making Bricktown a DESTINATION.

Tulsa city government is doing it backwards, and it has much higher risks to the taxpayer since they are not building on success.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

One of the best kids baseball movie was titled, "The Bad News Bears".

Just another coincidence?

There is a group in town called the Driller Bears. They are a gay social group for "bears and their admirers."  http://www.drillerbears.com/Index2.htm

Just another coincidence?

E-mail me an application ASAP.

Maybe they'll adopt me as their mascot.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Bear, I visited those entrepreneurs locations before Spaghetti Warehouse et.al. I was younger and dumber. It was closer to what Conan says. Skid row dude. Don't diminish what they did or what we're trying to do downtown by saying they just grabbed onto the coat tails.

It's possible we're referring to different time periods.

In the very early 1990's, a few risk-taking entrepreneurs opened RESTAURANTS in OKC in what is now called Bricktown.

Spaghetti Restaurant was one of the first, if not the first, to build there in an old brick warehouse.

Building on their previous success in using an old cotton warehouse in what was by then known as:

The Dallas West End.  Buy an old brick warehouse real cheap; Remodel it and open a restaurant in an old brick warehouse. Same kind of deal.  Same company.

Then, Piggies showed up, and later Cocina de Mina moved it.

Then, many more bars and restaurants started opening up there, because Bricktown had BECOME a DESTINATION.

MAPS followed shortly AFTERWARDS, as a PUBLICALLY FINANCED initiative, on the previous success of making Bricktown a DESTINATION.

Tulsa city government is doing it backwards, and it has much higher risks to the taxpayer since they are not building on success.

No, there are no successful enterprises of any type in downtown Tulsa at the moment.

There is no Spaghetti Warehouse right by the proposed stadium.

There is no such thing as Cain's Ballroom, just a a hobo with some sugar cane.

Caz's Chowhouse and Bar are figments of F&M Bank's imagination.

The Gypsy Coffehouse ain't there.

D-Fest is a lie by the Tulsa World.

McNellie's and Arnie's are just the new Orpha's.

Brady was closed years ago.

Mexicali is actually in Mexico.

OSU-Tulsa, formerly UCAT, is actually an alley cat owned by Kathy Taylor. MEEEOOOWWW1111!

There is no Greenwood Cultural Center or Greenwood block because the race eiot never took place.

Soundpony is actually a dead horse.

Lola's is just a song on the radio.

The Jazz Hall of Fame -- ha, JAZZ  . . . In OKLA-HO-MA?  [}:)]

Mayfest is actually in February and no one goes.

The BOK tower was never built.

The Center of the Universe is actually the center of the vast plutocrat conspiracy.

The Tribune Lofts are a lie by the Lortons.

No one ever goes down there.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain . . .

[:O]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Bear, I visited those entrepreneurs locations before Spaghetti Warehouse et.al. I was younger and dumber. It was closer to what Conan says. Skid row dude. Don't diminish what they did or what we're trying to do downtown by saying they just grabbed onto the coat tails.

It's possible we're referring to different time periods.

In the very early 1990's, a few risk-taking entrepreneurs opened RESTAURANTS in OKC in what is now called Bricktown.

Spaghetti Restaurant was one of the first, if not the first, to build there in an old brick warehouse.

Building on their previous success in using an old cotton warehouse in what was by then known as:

The Dallas West End.  Buy an old brick warehouse real cheap; Remodel it and open a restaurant in an old brick warehouse. Same kind of deal.  Same company.

Then, Piggies showed up, and later Cocina de Mina moved it.

Then, many more bars and restaurants started opening up there, because Bricktown had BECOME a DESTINATION.

MAPS followed shortly AFTERWARDS, as a PUBLICALLY FINANCED initiative, on the previous success of making Bricktown a DESTINATION.

Tulsa city government is doing it backwards, and it has much higher risks to the taxpayer since they are not building on success.

No, there are no successful enterprises of any type in downtown Tulsa at the moment.

There is no Spaghetti Warehouse right by the proposed stadium.

There is no such thing as Cain's Ballroom, just a a hobo with some sugar cane.

Caz's Chowhouse and Bar are figments of F&M Bank's imagination.

The Gypsy Coffehouse ain't there.

D-Fest is a lie by the Tulsa World.

McNellie's and Arnie's are just the new Orpha's.

Brady was closed years ago.

Mexicali is actually in Mexico.

OSU-Tulsa, formerly UCAT, is actually an alley cat owned by Kathy Taylor. MEEEOOOWWW1111!

There is no Greenwood Cultural Center or Greenwood block because the race eiot never took place.

Soundpony is actually a dead horse.

Lola's is just a song on the radio.

The Jazz Hall of Fame -- ha, JAZZ  . . . In OKLA-HO-MA?  [}:)]

Mayfest is actually in February and no one goes.

The BOK tower was never built.

The Center of the Universe is actually the center of the vast plutocrat conspiracy.

The Tribune Lofts are a lie by the Lortons.

No one ever goes down there.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain . . .

[:O]

I thought Waterboy and I were corresponding on the history of Bricktown, in our last segment......

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Gold

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Bear, I visited those entrepreneurs locations before Spaghetti Warehouse et.al. I was younger and dumber. It was closer to what Conan says. Skid row dude. Don't diminish what they did or what we're trying to do downtown by saying they just grabbed onto the coat tails.

It's possible we're referring to different time periods.

In the very early 1990's, a few risk-taking entrepreneurs opened RESTAURANTS in OKC in what is now called Bricktown.

Spaghetti Restaurant was one of the first, if not the first, to build there in an old brick warehouse.

Building on their previous success in using an old cotton warehouse in what was by then known as:

The Dallas West End.  Buy an old brick warehouse real cheap; Remodel it and open a restaurant in an old brick warehouse. Same kind of deal.  Same company.

Then, Piggies showed up, and later Cocina de Mina moved it.

Then, many more bars and restaurants started opening up there, because Bricktown had BECOME a DESTINATION.

MAPS followed shortly AFTERWARDS, as a PUBLICALLY FINANCED initiative, on the previous success of making Bricktown a DESTINATION.

Tulsa city government is doing it backwards, and it has much higher risks to the taxpayer since they are not building on success.

No, there are no successful enterprises of any type in downtown Tulsa at the moment.

There is no Spaghetti Warehouse right by the proposed stadium.

There is no such thing as Cain's Ballroom, just a a hobo with some sugar cane.

Caz's Chowhouse and Bar are figments of F&M Bank's imagination.

The Gypsy Coffehouse ain't there.

D-Fest is a lie by the Tulsa World.

McNellie's and Arnie's are just the new Orpha's.

Brady was closed years ago.

Mexicali is actually in Mexico.

OSU-Tulsa, formerly UCAT, is actually an alley cat owned by Kathy Taylor. MEEEOOOWWW1111!

There is no Greenwood Cultural Center or Greenwood block because the race eiot never took place.

Soundpony is actually a dead horse.

Lola's is just a song on the radio.

The Jazz Hall of Fame -- ha, JAZZ  . . . In OKLA-HO-MA?  [}:)]

Mayfest is actually in February and no one goes.

The BOK tower was never built.

The Center of the Universe is actually the center of the vast plutocrat conspiracy.

The Tribune Lofts are a lie by the Lortons.

No one ever goes down there.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain . . .

[:O]

I thought Waterboy and I were corresponding on the history of Bricktown, in our last segment......

You said Tulsa got it backwards.  In both examples (OKC and Tulsa), there were some establishments in the area before the city started building arena and stadiums, including a Spaghetti Warehouse.  There's already quite a bit of ("organic") success in the area.  

Cain's Ballroom is one of the best venues for its size in the world.

Your "argument" would sem to be that there is nothing in the area at this point, unlike Bricktown which already had some stuff (actually, I'd argue there is a lot more within a the Brady and Blue dome areas than there was before MAPS, but that's a whole other discussion).

Most weekends there are quite a few people within a couple of blocls of the development,

Nevermind that you've said several times there's no reason anyone would want to go downtown.

Sorry if I find it hard to take your point seriously.

You seem to be confused.

[:X]

[cannon_fodder]

Please, god please, don't start the quote in a quote in a quote thing again.  I can't handle it.

Either delete the non-pertinent parts of the quote or don't quote at all.  I don't need to read the same thing 5 times in a thread and no one else does either.  It's just more scrolling and my index finger can't take it!

[Gold]

Your index finger is weak, CF.  I'm here to be a hard donkey poster and this is my hurry up offense.[]

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by Gold
Your "argument" would sem to be that there is nothing in the area at this point, unlike Bricktown which already had some stuff (actually, I'd argue there is a lot more within a the Brady and Blue dome areas than there was before MAPS, but that's a whole other discussion).

There are waaaay more entertainment establishments in downtown Tulsa than there were in pre-MAPS OKC.  They just weren't strung together . . . until now.

[Gold]

quote:Originally posted by Floyd

quote:Originally posted by Gold
Your "argument" would sem to be that there is nothing in the area at this point, unlike Bricktown which already had some stuff (actually, I'd argue there is a lot more within a the Brady and Blue dome areas than there was before MAPS, but that's a whole other discussion).

Exactly!  And that's one of the really cool things about this project.  I can't totally say they got to this intentionally, but it just feels like they are taking a really positive step towards uniting what has been kind of fragmented set of "districts."  

Actually, that's one of the things about Tulsa that makes me roll my eyes.  We have a tendency to name our neighborhoods; there is the "Uptown" area which I guess is not to be mistaken with the adjacent (and perhaps overlapping) Riverview area.  You have the Brady District which is a three minute walk from Greenwood which is a four minute walk from the Blue Dome.  It just seems like a lot of wasted effort to create identity in some of the cases, though I'll admit some areas have come together more than others and that I'm pretty pumped about the area these days.

There are waaaay more entertainment establishments in downtown Tulsa than there were in pre-MAPS OKC.  They just weren't strung together . . . until now.

[Conan71]

Damnit Gold, you called bull**** point-by-point on FB before I got the chance.  [}:)][]

It makes me wonder if he's driven up Archer, Brady, or Cameron in the last 20 years, or if he even lives in Tulsa.

Yeah, it's just a vast waste land north of the tracks.

FB, you and I agreed on the river debacle, but you are just shining stupid on this one.  You've missed it and your points are nowhere close to the reality of the Brady and Greenwood areas.  Greenwood was more of a planned development, just about everything else up to now has been the result of guys like Pete Mayo, David Sharp, and fearless entrepreneurs to open businesses down there.

They've done it, I dare say, with less organization and less help from the COT than Bricktown got in OKC.

[JCnOwasso]

I was downtown yesterday evening (ABOT event)and drove past where the proposed area would be.  I think it is a perfect placement for the stadium.  

As for Bricktown.  I think they have had one huge advantage in that whole ordeal.  Downtown OKC for the most part is in the middle of the OKC metro area.  There is a pretty good chance that you drive within 2 miles of bricktown everyday (Tinker, GM (when it was there), DELL, AOL, etc all along the I 40 corridor).  The intersection of I40, I35, and all of the bypass routes pretty much fall in this area.

Downtown Tulsa is pretty much out of the common path of travel.  Yeah 244, 51 and 75 all do the jog around the IDL, but really unless you are specifically going to DT you are not taking these routes.