Olbermann and Matthews removed

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Talk about Bias. You're quoting these guys?:

The 1,520th CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 12, 2003 (Vol. Eight; No. 113)

David Brinkley Passes Away; In Later Years He Saw Liberal Bias, Denounced a Loaded Paula Zahn Question and Called Bill Clinton a "Bore" Who Spouts "Nonsense"
Who made them or Brinkley the arbiters of bias? He was a talking head and this is a link devoted to tracking "Liberal Media Bias". Show me a link that attempts to track "All Media Bias" and I might bite.

Conan, I have studiously attempted my whole life to avoid anyone pounding anything into my head except perhaps, "you never put the clean dishes away". I was practically kicked out of PR class in the journalism school because when presented with a case study of the Air Force being sued for race discrimination, I pointed out that the Air Force was in fact the last of the services still segregated and discriminatory. There were NO black fighter pilots at that time. And that we should start with that understanding before continuuing. Eeerie silence. Truth is just not part of that industry.[]

[Conan71]

Heh, I've always liked that about you WB, there's still a bit of social/political  disobedience in you.

At what point do you think the MSM or liberal news outlets would report a quote by Brinkley claiming liberal bias?  [}:)]

That was a direct quote from DB, not an op-ed, as were the damning quotes from the likes of Bryant Gumble and others toward Reagan.  Sorry they were culled together on a website which exposed liberal bias.  Sounds a lot more credible than drunkenliberal.com or hottiesinthepress.com.

That does suck, the GOP blogs don't have good moonbat names like the libtard ones do.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Talk about Bias. You're quoting these guys?:

The 1,520th CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 12, 2003 (Vol. Eight; No. 113)

David Brinkley Passes Away; In Later Years He Saw Liberal Bias, Denounced a Loaded Paula Zahn Question and Called Bill Clinton a "Bore" Who Spouts "Nonsense"
Who made them or Brinkley the arbiters of bias? He was a talking head and this is a link devoted to tracking "Liberal Media Bias". Show me a link that attempts to track "All Media Bias" and I might bite.

Conan, I have studiously attempted my whole life to avoid anyone pounding anything into my head except perhaps, "you never put the clean dishes away". I was practically kicked out of PR class in the journalism school because when presented with a case study of the Air Force being sued for race discrimination, I pointed out that the Air Force was in fact the last of the services still segregated and discriminatory. There were NO black fighter pilots at that time. And that we should start with that understanding before continuuing. Eeerie silence. Truth is just not part of that industry.[]

You must really be ancient if you can remember studying about no black fighter pilots in the Air Force.

The Army Air Force had black fighter pilots in 1943:

The Tuskegee Airmen.  Fought over Italy and Germany.

And, General Chappie James flew in Korea and Vietnam for the U.S. Air Force.

And, the very FIRST aviator shot down over North Vietnam was an African-American Navy Lt. Alvarez.  Spent 8 1/2 years in a Hanoi Hell Hole.

[FOTD]

BFD.....Both KO and Mathews were not enjoying covering the Repukes last week. They could not say what they were really thinking. They were irritated and bored and found the whole affair trite. Who didn't outside of Dumbf*ckistan. How do you keep constantly covering the same jingo?

Olbermann Smacks down the RNC over 911 Tribute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124WAoqwKto&eurl


This seems like a dispute between MSNBC and NBC and it would be great if it opened the door to a new independent news agency except for the fact advertisers and carries would be too hard to come by.

Meanwhile, watching the devilish Countdown remains the best viable source for news with a twist outside Comedy Channel and that sez a lot about Amerika. Amazing what posters want to talk about outside the really important subjects. (Jim Inhofe's gonna get Oklahoma made the capitol of Dumbf*ckistan).

Maddow starts tonight. She's another truth telling lie exposer.

[Hoss]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

BFD.....Both KO and Mathews were not enjoying covering the Repukes last week. They could not say what they were really thinking. They were irritated and bored and found the whole affair trite. Who didn't outside of Dumbf*ckistan. How do you keep constantly covering the same jingo?

Olbermann Smacks down the RNC over 911 Tribute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124WAoqwKto&eurl


This seems like a dispute between MSNBC and NBC and it would be great if it opened the door to a new independent news agency except for the fact advertisers and carries would be too hard to come by.

Meanwhile, watching the devilish Countdown remains the best viable source for news with a twist outside Comedy Channel and that sez a lot about Amerika. Amazing what posters want to talk about outside the really important subjects. (Jim Inhofe's gonna get Oklahoma made the capitol of Dumbf*ckistan).

Maddow starts tonight. She's another truth telling lie exposer.

Reference about her sexual preference from FB, Conan, Gaspar or any number of others in 3...2...1

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Talk about Bias. You're quoting these guys?:

The 1,520th CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 12, 2003 (Vol. Eight; No. 113)

David Brinkley Passes Away; In Later Years He Saw Liberal Bias, Denounced a Loaded Paula Zahn Question and Called Bill Clinton a "Bore" Who Spouts "Nonsense"
Who made them or Brinkley the arbiters of bias? He was a talking head and this is a link devoted to tracking "Liberal Media Bias". Show me a link that attempts to track "All Media Bias" and I might bite.

Conan, I have studiously attempted my whole life to avoid anyone pounding anything into my head except perhaps, "you never put the clean dishes away". I was practically kicked out of PR class in the journalism school because when presented with a case study of the Air Force being sued for race discrimination, I pointed out that the Air Force was in fact the last of the services still segregated and discriminatory. There were NO black fighter pilots at that time. And that we should start with that understanding before continuuing. Eeerie silence. Truth is just not part of that industry.[]

You must really be ancient if you can remember studying about no black fighter pilots in the Air Force.

The Army Air Force had black fighter pilots in 1943:

The Tuskegee Airmen.  Fought over Italy and Germany.

And, General Chappie James flew in Korea and Vietnam for the U.S. Air Force.

It was the Nam era dude. Peace, love all that. The case study we had admitted the lawsuit was based in fact but our job was to present the best face to the public. You guys renamed it "spin". Even though black pilots flew in WWII they weren't much recognized or mixed into the services till Truman insisted after the war. The fact that discrimination in the Air Force, for both minorities and women existed into the 70's was and is not in question even though a few managed to distinguish themselves against all odds. The Air Force has always been the elitists of the services. Tailhook was not big surprise. They admitted women and minorities but relegated them to lesser positions than fighter pilots.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hoss

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

BFD.....Both KO and Mathews were not enjoying covering the Repukes last week. They could not say what they were really thinking. They were irritated and bored and found the whole affair trite. Who didn't outside of Dumbf*ckistan. How do you keep constantly covering the same jingo?

Olbermann Smacks down the RNC over 911 Tribute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124WAoqwKto&eurl


This seems like a dispute between MSNBC and NBC and it would be great if it opened the door to a new independent news agency except for the fact advertisers and carries would be too hard to come by.

Meanwhile, watching the devilish Countdown remains the best viable source for news with a twist outside Comedy Channel and that sez a lot about Amerika. Amazing what posters want to talk about outside the really important subjects. (Jim Inhofe's gonna get Oklahoma made the capitol of Dumbf*ckistan).

Maddow starts tonight. She's another truth telling lie exposer.

Reference about her sexual preference from FB, Conan, Gaspar or any number of others in 3...2...1

Sorry, I don't attack women like the librul dude bags on here.

[FOTD]

Devilish dude bags love women....we hate lying angry cultist women who can't keep their word, assume, take things personally and don't really do their best.

It's simple...ton.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Heh, I've always liked that about you WB, there's still a bit of social/political  disobedience in you.

At what point do you think the MSM or liberal news outlets would report a quote by Brinkley claiming liberal bias?  [}:)]

That was a direct quote from DB, not an op-ed, as were the damning quotes from the likes of Bryant Gumble and others toward Reagan.  Sorry they were culled together on a website which exposed liberal bias.  Sounds a lot more credible than drunkenliberal.com or hottiesinthepress.com.

That does suck, the GOP blogs don't have good moonbat names like the libtard ones do.

You are to be admired. As anyone will tell you, I'm a hard guy to like!

The bias issue goes to more than profession. I think that it more related to experience, family dynamics and frankly, most importantly, timing.

Like a swan imprinting on the first object it sees after birth, voters imprint on their first opportunity to gather information and vote. So when the baby boomer generation watched the Nixon/Kennedy debates, the Johnson "war on poverty" and the tragedy of Viet Nam they tended to embrace those 50's, 60's, 70's values. Those are inherent biases.

Then came their little brothers and sisters (genX) who grew up with Nixon Impeachment, Carter stagflation and Reagan's new dawn in America. They either embraced or were repulsed by those values but they showed up in their biases.

Now as you turn 40ish Dems just don't feel right. To me Repubs just don't feel right. And to AA, nothing feels right!

We're all screwed by the timing.[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Talk about Bias. You're quoting these guys?:

The 1,520th CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 12, 2003 (Vol. Eight; No. 113)

David Brinkley Passes Away; In Later Years He Saw Liberal Bias, Denounced a Loaded Paula Zahn Question and Called Bill Clinton a "Bore" Who Spouts "Nonsense"
Who made them or Brinkley the arbiters of bias? He was a talking head and this is a link devoted to tracking "Liberal Media Bias". Show me a link that attempts to track "All Media Bias" and I might bite.

Conan, I have studiously attempted my whole life to avoid anyone pounding anything into my head except perhaps, "you never put the clean dishes away". I was practically kicked out of PR class in the journalism school because when presented with a case study of the Air Force being sued for race discrimination, I pointed out that the Air Force was in fact the last of the services still segregated and discriminatory. There were NO black fighter pilots at that time. And that we should start with that understanding before continuuing. Eeerie silence. Truth is just not part of that industry.[]

You must really be ancient if you can remember studying about no black fighter pilots in the Air Force.

The Army Air Force had black fighter pilots in 1943:

The Tuskegee Airmen.  Fought over Italy and Germany.

And, General Chappie James flew in Korea and Vietnam for the U.S. Air Force.

It was the Nam era dude. Peace, love all that. The case study we had admitted the lawsuit was based in fact but our job was to present the best face to the public. You guys renamed it "spin". Even though black pilots flew in WWII they weren't much recognized or mixed into the services till Truman insisted after the war. The fact that discrimination in the Air Force, for both minorities and women existed into the 70's was and is not in question even though a few managed to distinguish themselves against all odds. The Air Force has always been the elitists of the services. Tailhook was not big surprise. They admitted women and minorities but relegated them to lesser positions than fighter pilots.

I would tend to think in broader reasons as to why there were fewer black OFFICERS in the military in that era, than just fewer PILOTS.

ROTC is the predominant route for commissioning of military officers for all branches of the service.  The Military Academies produce a minority of the commissioned officers each Spring.

In that time period you're referring to, there were fewer black men graduating from college, and therefore also fewer black men in ROTC.

So, while there were probably racist officers in all military branches, I ask you to consider that a broader dynamic about the college-educated male population of that era could also explain the relative paucity of black pilots.

Minorities and women are definitely in force in today's ROTC and USMA's, and have been for several decades.  You can certainly Google if you care to when women were first admitted to the USMA's.

General Colin Powell was a 60's era Army ROTC graduate.  He's one of the few Four Star Generals of ANY color who did NOT attend a Military Academy.

He must have been a very superior officer to have climbed the military ladder.

And, reflecting on his strong character, while stationed at Ft. Benning GEORGIA in the early 60's, Powell did not blow his top when the Hamburger Stand told him he had to come to the back door to buy his family their dinner.  

He didn't like it, but he kept his cool.

Men of this calibre and character experienced a thousand fold amount of discrimination that you nor I have any real idea about.

Yes, we've made enormous progress, and that is good.

Obama on the other hand is an admitted beneficiary of Affirmative Action.  Read his books.  

I did.....That while disguised, the discerning reader can see his Critical Theory Marxist orientation.  

Just read 'em.  I think there's about one sentence in his biography about his time monkishly spent at Columbia U....Studing political science in the library.

Hmmmmmh?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Talk about Bias. You're quoting these guys?:

The 1,520th CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 12, 2003 (Vol. Eight; No. 113)

David Brinkley Passes Away; In Later Years He Saw Liberal Bias, Denounced a Loaded Paula Zahn Question and Called Bill Clinton a "Bore" Who Spouts "Nonsense"
Who made them or Brinkley the arbiters of bias? He was a talking head and this is a link devoted to tracking "Liberal Media Bias". Show me a link that attempts to track "All Media Bias" and I might bite.

Conan, I have studiously attempted my whole life to avoid anyone pounding anything into my head except perhaps, "you never put the clean dishes away". I was practically kicked out of PR class in the journalism school because when presented with a case study of the Air Force being sued for race discrimination, I pointed out that the Air Force was in fact the last of the services still segregated and discriminatory. There were NO black fighter pilots at that time. And that we should start with that understanding before continuuing. Eeerie silence. Truth is just not part of that industry.[]

You must really be ancient if you can remember studying about no black fighter pilots in the Air Force.

The Army Air Force had black fighter pilots in 1943:

The Tuskegee Airmen.  Fought over Italy and Germany.

And, General Chappie James flew in Korea and Vietnam for the U.S. Air Force.

It was the Nam era dude. Peace, love all that. The case study we had admitted the lawsuit was based in fact but our job was to present the best face to the public. You guys renamed it "spin". Even though black pilots flew in WWII they weren't much recognized or mixed into the services till Truman insisted after the war. The fact that discrimination in the Air Force, for both minorities and women existed into the 70's was and is not in question even though a few managed to distinguish themselves against all odds. The Air Force has always been the elitists of the services. Tailhook was not big surprise. They admitted women and minorities but relegated them to lesser positions than fighter pilots.

I would tend to think in broader reasons as to why there were fewer black OFFICERS in the military in that era, than just fewer PILOTS

You just can't help yourself. You started out making a reasonable argument then blew your head up again.

Listen, your spin is what my PR professor wanted. You would have been helpful to him. However, you float off into irrelevancy. Powell was in the Army not the Air Force. And ROTC was available in high schools back then too I believe. True enough that the few blacks who made it to college had no interest in ROTC as they knew all too well who was fighting that war from their extended families. That would indeed be a logical reason for no officer candidates coming from the ROTC path. The Air Force was the country club branch of the services and they had no intention at that time of voluntarily changing club rules. The rest of the services as you say were much farther along in the process.

Unfortunately for a lot of black soldiers, and any woman, there was no Affirmative Action in the Air Force unless you considered the legacees that got placed because of their father's influence. Guys like McCain and Bush.

And yeah, that Political Science at the college level is sinister. I remember being totally brainwashed by reading about Rehnquist. Should be a law or something.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Incorrect. Filled with assumptions and errors. I had Journalism 101 and there was never any such discussions. In fact I had Public Relations and Advertising courses in that college as well. Besides, Journalism as we knew it in the post WWII era is practically dead. Advocacy Journalism replaced it and now its evolved into just confused Journalism. That's why Stewart and Colbert are so funny. They understand that there is no real journalism so they fill the gap. Real news now is written by comedy writers!

While old fashioned journalism now exists in an abusive relationship between its enablers (the advertisers) and its wifebeating husband (the republicans). Meanwhile the myth is promoted that Couric, et.al. are all just demented biased liberals who won't treat the conservatives fairly. Hogwash. The networks are so whipped they don't even cover a lot of stuff. They're screwed as they watch the internet flourish because its still somewhat free.

Let's see. Answer me this: Who owns CNN and CNN Headline News? Who owns Fox News? Add in the local Fox stations and you have dominance of the cable news.

Not so quick.

No less than David Brinkley claimed there was a liberal bias:

"Earlier in the show the former NBC anchor and current This Week host acknowledged liberal bias. "Well, it's there and it doesn't show itself in everything that is printed or broadcast but it is there, and I think we're all used to it, we discount it. Some of the press also is more conservative and it's just the way the action is in this country and I don't know any way to change it. You just have to live with it."

http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030612_extra.asp#1

More hogwash for you:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2004/fax20040609.asp

I find it hard to believe that the great sin of "editorializing" by reporters was not beaten into your skull as it was with the rest of us.

Talk about Bias. You're quoting these guys?:

The 1,520th CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 12, 2003 (Vol. Eight; No. 113)

David Brinkley Passes Away; In Later Years He Saw Liberal Bias, Denounced a Loaded Paula Zahn Question and Called Bill Clinton a "Bore" Who Spouts "Nonsense"
Who made them or Brinkley the arbiters of bias? He was a talking head and this is a link devoted to tracking "Liberal Media Bias". Show me a link that attempts to track "All Media Bias" and I might bite.

Conan, I have studiously attempted my whole life to avoid anyone pounding anything into my head except perhaps, "you never put the clean dishes away". I was practically kicked out of PR class in the journalism school because when presented with a case study of the Air Force being sued for race discrimination, I pointed out that the Air Force was in fact the last of the services still segregated and discriminatory. There were NO black fighter pilots at that time. And that we should start with that understanding before continuuing. Eeerie silence. Truth is just not part of that industry.[]

You must really be ancient if you can remember studying about no black fighter pilots in the Air Force.

The Army Air Force had black fighter pilots in 1943:

The Tuskegee Airmen.  Fought over Italy and Germany.

And, General Chappie James flew in Korea and Vietnam for the U.S. Air Force.

It was the Nam era dude. Peace, love all that. The case study we had admitted the lawsuit was based in fact but our job was to present the best face to the public. You guys renamed it "spin". Even though black pilots flew in WWII they weren't much recognized or mixed into the services till Truman insisted after the war. The fact that discrimination in the Air Force, for both minorities and women existed into the 70's was and is not in question even though a few managed to distinguish themselves against all odds. The Air Force has always been the elitists of the services. Tailhook was not big surprise. They admitted women and minorities but relegated them to lesser positions than fighter pilots.

I would tend to think in broader reasons as to why there were fewer black OFFICERS in the military in that era, than just fewer PILOTS

You just can't help yourself. You started out making a reasonable argument then blew your head up again.

Listen, your spin is what my PR professor wanted. You would have been helpful to him. However, you float off into irrelevancy. Powell was in the Army not the Air Force. And ROTC was available in high schools back then too I believe. True enough that the few blacks who made it to college had no interest in ROTC as they knew all too well who was fighting that war from their extended families. That would indeed be a logical reason for no officer candidates coming from the ROTC path. The Air Force was the country club branch of the services and they had no intention at that time of voluntarily changing club rules. The rest of the services as you say were much farther along in the process.

Unfortunately for a lot of black soldiers, and any woman, there was no Affirmative Action in the Air Force unless you considered the legacees that got placed because of their father's influence. Guys like McCain and Bush.

And yeah, that Political Science at the college level is sinister. I remember being totally brainwashed by reading about Rehnquist. Should be a law or something.

ROTC in the High Schools is not a direct commissioning route to a officer commission. H.S. ROTC is Junior ROTC:  JROTC.

It's basically like Hitler Youth orientation before an adult soldier goes to REAL military training.

They get to wear uniforms and march around like good HJ.

Regarding the motivations of taking ROTC while attending college:

In many state colleges, ROTC was MANDATORY the first two years.  Not optional.

That, however, did not lead to an officer's commission unless the final two years of ROTC were also completed, as well as Summer Hell camps.  

Many's the former Army ROTC cadet that fondly remembers the 100 degree days at Fort Sill, and back-to-nature thrill of shaking a scorpion out of their boots as they arose in the morning.

Some FUN!  But, it developed Military Leaders.

Like, Colin Powell.

It's an old system.  Might and Group Feeling.

To keep us Strong and Free.

[Breadburner]

Olbermann is a dude....Always has been....

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

Olberman is a dude....Always has been....

He got issued a new job description today.

One without the entry:  

News Anchor.

[HazMatCFO]

Matthews and Olberman seem to have free reign at MSNBC to turn it into THE pro-Obama cable network.

However, when they didn't have the good sense to realize NBC at least tries to pretend it's neutral, they weren't able to reign in their obvious bias on national TV and were zonked. That's really bad when NBC zonks you for being out of control.