This is Your Nation on White Privilege

[pmcalk]

While I admit that Mr. Wise could have been a bit less accusatory in his writing, you seem to miss the point.  He doesn't say all white women who oppose Obama are racist--there are plenty of white women who would never vote for a democrat period.  He is speaking of women who are strong feminists that supported Hillary, and all that she stood for.  For those women, voting for McCain or staying home makes no sense.  I am not sure if it is racism, but you have to wonder why a woman who supported Hillary would support a candidate that is so diametrically opposed to her.

Regardless, the majority of white women support Obama.

[waterboy]

Didn't you just break two of your rules Conan?

He's just a blogger!

And, he doesn't fit into your paradigm!

Lastly, you've quoted a post that someone you hold in low esteem had posted earlier. FOTD posted this quote weeks ago.

OUch.

BTW, I think the pic of Obama smoking makes him look cool. Yeah, smoking is bad and stuff, but it looks like a pic from the Kerouac period. Cool, man.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Didn't you just break two of your rules Conan?

He's just a blogger!

And, he doesn't fit into your paradigm!

Lastly, you've quoted a post that someone you hold in low esteem had posted earlier. FOTD posted this quote weeks ago.

OUch.

BTW, I think the pic of Obama smoking makes him look cool. Yeah, smoking is bad and stuff, but it looks like a pic from the Kerouac period. Cool, man.

Conan rule #28: I reserve the right to post additional material from moonbat websites, if I so choose.

Conan rule # 2: I reserve the right to contradict myself with total impunity.

Conan rule #9: Do anything to keep my dear friend Waterboy confounded on a daily basis.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

While I admit that Mr. Wise could have been a bit less accusatory in his writing, you seem to miss the point.  He doesn't say all white women who oppose Obama are racist--there are plenty of white women who would never vote for a democrat period.  He is speaking of women who are strong feminists that supported Hillary, and all that she stood for.  For those women, voting for McCain or staying home makes no sense.  I am not sure if it is racism, but you have to wonder why a woman who supported Hillary would support a candidate that is so diametrically opposed to her.

Regardless, the majority of white women support Obama.

Wise seems to do a good job ignoring the issue of blacks who might be idealogically in step with McCain who will vote for Obama simply because he is black.  Or blacks who never participate in the political process nor give it any thought who will vote for Obama, not on policy but on race.

Same type of identification issue Wise is commenting on, yet Mr. Whiteguilt doesn't seem to piece that together.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Didn't you just break two of your rules Conan?

He's just a blogger!

And, he doesn't fit into your paradigm!

Lastly, you've quoted a post that someone you hold in low esteem had posted earlier. FOTD posted this quote weeks ago.

OUch.

BTW, I think the pic of Obama smoking makes him look cool. Yeah, smoking is bad and stuff, but it looks like a pic from the Kerouac period. Cool, man.

Conan rule #28: I reserve the right to post additional material from moonbat websites, if I so choose.

Conan rule # 2: I reserve the right to contradict myself with total impunity.

Conan rule #9: Do anything to keep my dear friend Waterboy confounded on a daily basis.

Well, ok, as long as you're following the rules.[8D]

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

While I admit that Mr. Wise could have been a bit less accusatory in his writing, you seem to miss the point.  He doesn't say all white women who oppose Obama are racist--there are plenty of white women who would never vote for a democrat period.  He is speaking of women who are strong feminists that supported Hillary, and all that she stood for.  For those women, voting for McCain or staying home makes no sense.  I am not sure if it is racism, but you have to wonder why a woman who supported Hillary would support a candidate that is so diametrically opposed to her.

Regardless, the majority of white women support Obama.

Wise seems to do a good job ignoring the issue of blacks who might be idealogically in step with McCain who will vote for Obama simply because he is black.  Or blacks who never participate in the political process nor give it any thought who will vote for Obama, not on policy but on race.

Same type of identification issue Wise is commenting on, yet Mr. Whiteguilt doesn't seem to piece that together.

Where did you hear that blacks are voting for Obama even though they disagree with him?  White was responding to something that the media has said over and over (but seriously I think is largely untrue) that a significant number of Hillary supporters are not supporting Obama.  If the republican party had traditionally recieved any significant support from African Americans that disappeared with Obama, I would agree with you, but that isn't the case.

And just because a blogger points out what they view as a contradiction in how people chose a candidate certainly doesn't mean they have to point out every contradiction that exists.

[Hometown]

I do cringe when I hear someone on our side make reference to souless old white guys.

Besides perpetuating a stereotype, this kind of talk is unfortunate because of course we need old white guys to cast their vote for our candidate.  

You need the support of old white guys to win anything in the U.S.

We are just about the only country that has really had a civil rights movement.  Most other countries have not even taken their first step down this path.

You have to look back to the time when the Moors ruled Spain to find another culture that has been as open and tolerant as we hope to be.

Most other countries are still locked into colonial thinking.  We are a culture largely divorced from history undertaking a bold experiment with sex and race and social mobility.

Of course when we talk about our beautiful mosaic that includes white folks too.

[FOTD]

For all the uneducated crackers!

Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama
By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.



More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.

Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

"There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean there's only a few bigots," said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.

The pollsters set out to determine why Obama is locked in a close race with McCain even as the political landscape seems to favor Democrats. President Bush's unpopularity, the Iraq war and a national sense of economic hard times cut against GOP candidates, as does that fact that Democratic voters outnumber Republicans.

The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home — among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.

The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.

Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.

Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.

On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn't be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites' views.

Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.

Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.

Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.

Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.

But in an election without precedent, it's hard to know if such models take into account all the possible factors at play.

The AP-Yahoo News poll used the unique methodology of Knowledge Networks, a Menlo Park, Calif., firm that interviews people online after randomly selecting and screening them over telephone. Numerous studies have shown that people are more likely to report embarrassing behavior and unpopular opinions when answering questions on a computer rather than talking to a stranger.

Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks.

"We still don't like black people," said John Clouse, 57, reflecting the sentiments of his pals gathered at a coffee shop in Somerset, Ohio.

Given a choice of several positive and negative adjectives that might describe blacks, 20 percent of all whites said the word "violent" strongly applied. Among other words, 22 percent agreed with "boa****l," 29 percent "complaining," 13 percent "lazy" and 11 percent "irresponsible." When asked about positive adjectives, whites were more likely to stay on the fence than give a strongly positive assessment.

Among white Democrats, one third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.

The poll sought to measure latent prejudices among whites by asking about factors contributing to the state of black America. One finding: More than a quarter of white Democrats agree that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites."

Those who agreed with that statement were much less likely to back Obama than those who didn't.

Among white independents, racial stereotyping is not uncommon. For example, while about 20 percent of independent voters called blacks "intelligent" or "smart," more than one third latched on the adjective "complaining" and 24 percent said blacks were "violent."

Nearly four in 10 white independents agreed that blacks would be better off if they "try harder."

The survey broke ground by incorporating images of black and white faces to measure implicit racial attitudes, or prejudices that are so deeply rooted that people may not realize they have them. That test suggested the incidence of racial prejudice is even higher, with more than half of whites revealing more negative feelings toward blacks than whites.

Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes — including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's backers.

Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.

Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.

The survey of 2,227 adults was conducted Aug. 27 to Sept. 5. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points."

Ron Fornier, used to work for McCain and is his shill in the press.

The issue, in this election, is NOT the color of Obama's skin, but the repudiation of the Bush years.

Obama represents a Change. McCain, well...

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[Conan71]

Still a lot of ignorant white folk in the Democrat party.

Obama will play well to the urban centers but I think he's going to struggle in rural America.

He better have a 10% lead going into Nov. 4 or the "Bradley Effect" may become known as the "Obama Effect".

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Still a lot of ignorant white folk in the Democrat party.

Obama will play well to the urban centers but I think he's going to struggle in rural America.

He better have a 10% lead going into Nov. 4 or the "Bradley Effect" may become known as the "Obama Effect".

The color of racism
Larry Elder


Are blacks really more racist than whites?

When three white men dragged black James Byrd to death in Jasper, Texas, President Clinton quite properly called the crime "shocking and outrageous." "In the face of this tragedy," Clinton said, "(the people of Jasper) must join together across racial lines to demonstrate that an act of evil like this is not what this country is all about. I think that we've all been touched by it, and I can only imagine that virtually everyone who lives there is in agony at this moment. They must re-affirm, and so must we, that we will not tolerate this."

Thus, the bigots who dragged James Byrd became Exhibit A, a national symbol for white racism and hatred against blacks.

But what about Colin Ferguson? In 1993, Ferguson, a black man, boarded a Long Island Railroad commuter train and proceeded to mow down white passengers, killing six, wounding 19. Before the killings, Ferguson made frequent outbursts declaring his hatred against whites.

But somehow, Ferguson never became Exhibit A for black racism and hatred against whites. In fact, when Nassau County executive Thomas Gulotta called Ferguson an "animal," Jesse Jackson accused Gulotta of "stereotyping"! Most Americans, quite reasonably, considered Ferguson an abhorrent, hateful, deviant murderer, not some symbol for black bigotry. Of course, both cases -- the Byrd killing and the Ferguson rampage -- are aberrant instances of racial hatred. But where we see black/white crime, the bad guy is usually black.

In one recent year, the FBI recorded 1.7 million violent acts -- murder, manslaughter, rape, and aggravated assault -- of interracial crime. Of that figure, nearly 1.2 million involved black-white crime. Ninety percent of these cases involved a black perpetrator and a white victim. Thus, blacks, while comprising 12 percent of the population, committed over one million acts of violent crime against whites. On the other hand, whites, while comprising 70 percent of the population, committed about 100,000 acts of violent crime against blacks.

Look at hate crime. In 1995, the FBI recorded 7,947 incidents of hate crimes. But blacks, again while comprising 12 percent of the population, committed 27 percent of hate crimes. Whites, 70 percent of the population, committed 59 percent of hate crimes. And of the nearly one million black violent acts against whites, how many were driven by racial animus? During the 1992 Los Angeles riots, Damien "Football" Williams assaulted white trucker Reginald Denny. Williams clearly targeted Denny because of his race, even allowing a black motorist to proceed unharmed. But despite hate-crime laws on the books, authorities never charged Williams with a hate crime.

Similarly, when a group of black teenagers assaulted then raped the so-called "Central Park Jogger," few called the assault a "hate crime." Instead, many called the attack a case of "wilding," a practice where youths go on a rampage.

Are the majority of blacks racist? Of course not, no more so than are the majority of whites. The point here is perspective. When blacks condemn white bigotry, we must be equally vigilant about black bigotry.

Blacks face bigger issues. Inner-city public schools need competition. Blacks stand to benefit disproportionately from the privatization of Social Security. Calling off the war on drugs will, among other things, diminish the number of interactions between the police and civilians, decreasing the frequency of "DWB" -- Driving While Black. Screaming "white racism," and spending time and energy exaggerating its effect steals attention from deeper problems -- illegitimacy, bad schools, high crime -- which have little to do with white racism.

Black defense attorney Johnnie L. Cochran tells us, "Race plays a part of everything in America." But, recently, America's pre-eminent white racism fighter, Jesse Jackson, busied himself settling a municipal bus strike in Los Angeles (and receiving a $100,000 fee in the process). Jackson recently co-authored a -- get this -- financial advice book, "It's About the Money," with his son. So, just how bad can things be?

First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton tells us, "It Takes a Village." Now, Reverend Jesse Jackson says, "It's About the Money." Maybe Mrs. Clinton and Rev. Jackson can team up on a new book, "It's About Hard Work, Good Values, Schools at Work, Responsible Parenting, and Avoiding Counter-Productive Behavior."





Conan, you need to avoid your counter-productive behavior!....
Landslide coming!

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD



Conan, you need to avoid your counter-productive behavior!....

What, clinging to my guns and religion?  I'm bitter I tell you....