Why would the rest of the world choose Obama???

[Conan71]

That's okay PM, there's still Diebold to help the Repugs steal the election.

[mdunn]

yep!..Im for anyone with the middle name Hussain,just like any other American would be!

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

That's okay PM, there's still Diebold to help the Repugs steal the election.

When I hear complaints about Diebold, I picture some sort of HAL computer telling voters "I'm sorry, I am afraid I can't do that" everytime they try to vote democratic.

Seriously, I think these political maneuverings that undermine the voting process are not healthy.  Absent some clear evidence of actual voter fraud, it should be left alone.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

yep!..Im for anyone with the middle name Hussain,just like any other American would be!

Yes, because as you learned quite early in life, names mean everything, sticks and stones will never hurt you. BTW, its Hussein.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

ACORN is just another in a long line of distractions.  Republicans are trying to create hysteria, making people believe somehow that the election is compromised.  But even in the worse light, the hysteria is unnecessary.  ACORN claims that they turn in all applications for voter registration because it is not their role to challenge or subjectively decide which are legitimate applications.  I have registered many people, including people at the fair.  The volunteer simply takes the application and passes it on--it is not his or her responsibility to ensure its validity.  That job is for the election board.  Every election board has the ability to ensure that the voter information is accurate.  I have complete faith that "mickey mouse" will never get a voter ID.  

This happens every four years. Republicans scream that all the new registrants are frauds and the Democrats are corrupting the system.  Democrats scream that the Republicans are suppressing the vote by challenging minorities, purging names from the system, etc....  Ultimately, very rarely has anyone ever shown any actual voter fraud.

But that doesn't stop people like IP and FOTD (or altruism) from screaming conspiracy.

When an Obama supporter says that an issue is a "distraction" you can rest assured that it should be pursued with vigor.  The only issues that are labled as such are ones that scare the Obama campaign.

The simple fact is that ACORN, at the least, is a sloppy organization.  We should let the investigations uncover what role ACORN has to play, whether it be complicit or simply complacent. Several of the investigations were begun by Democrats.

As for ACORN:

If there were an organization that trolled homeless shelters and underneath city bridges looking for the homeless, or registered felons, or children or cartoon characters to register them as Republicans you'd have a point.

If ACORN was registering fraudulent Republican voters as well I would agree that there was no nefarious intent either on behalf of ACORN or the idiots they hire. That is not the case.

Consistent, unwavering, monolithic behvaior by employees only comes with training or incentives.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

ACORN is just another in a long line of distractions.  Republicans are trying to create hysteria, making people believe somehow that the election is compromised.  But even in the worse light, the hysteria is unnecessary.  ACORN claims that they turn in all applications for voter registration because it is not their role to challenge or subjectively decide which are legitimate applications.  I have registered many people, including people at the fair.  The volunteer simply takes the application and passes it on--it is not his or her responsibility to ensure its validity.  That job is for the election board.  Every election board has the ability to ensure that the voter information is accurate.  I have complete faith that "mickey mouse" will never get a voter ID.  

This happens every four years. Republicans scream that all the new registrants are frauds and the Democrats are corrupting the system.  Democrats scream that the Republicans are suppressing the vote by challenging minorities, purging names from the system, etc....  Ultimately, very rarely has anyone ever shown any actual voter fraud.

But that doesn't stop people like IP and FOTD (or altruism) from screaming conspiracy.

When an Obama supporter says that an issue is a "distraction" you can rest assured that it should be pursued with vigor.  The only issues that are labled as such are ones that scare the Obama campaign.

The simple fact is that ACORN, at the least, is a sloppy organization.  We should let the investigations uncover what role ACORN has to play, whether it be complicit or simply complacent. Several of the investigations were begun by Democrats.

As for ACORN:

If there were an organization that trolled homeless shelters and underneath city bridges looking for the homeless, or registered felons, or children or cartoon characters to register them as Republicans you'd have a point.

If ACORN was registering fraudulent Republican voters as well I would agree that there was no nefarious intent either on behalf of ACORN or the idiots they hire. That is not the case.

Consistent, unwavering, monolithic behvaior by employees only comes with training or incentives.

Scream till you are blue in the face about ACORN, it just doesn't matter.  Just because Mickey Mouse registered doesn't mean that he will vote.

For each and every ambiguous association that you point to for Obama, there is an equal association for McCain, like his transition leader, who was a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein (talk about "paling" around with terrorists).  But you don't hear Obama going off on all of that.  Why?  Because it isn't working.  With all of the Ayers/Acorn attacks, McCain's negatives have increasingly risen, while more and more people see him as only attacking, not offering solutions as evidenced by recent CBS & ABC polls.

I read an interesting post on Politico about a republican pollster that interviewed some independent/reagan democrats after viewing an Obama attack ad.  Here's what he said:

quote:Reagan Dems and Independents. Call them blue-collar plus. Slightly more Target than Walmart.

Yes, the spot worked. Yes, they believed the charges against Obama. Yes, they actually think he's too liberal, consorts with bad people and WON'T BE A GOOD PRESIDENT...but they STILL don't give a f***. They said right out, "He won't do anything better than McCain" but they're STILL voting for Obama.

The two most unreal moments of my professional life of watching focus groups:

54 year-old white male, voted Kerry '04, Bush '00, Dole '96, hunter, NASCAR fan...hard for Obama said: "I'm gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He's gonna be a bad president. But I won't ever vote for another god-damn Republican. I want the government to take over all of Wall Street and bankers and the car companies and Wal-Mart run this county like we used to when Reagan was President."

The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. "Well, I don't know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I'm sick of paying for health insurance at work and that's why I'm supporting Barack."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/#

McCain would have had a shot if he picked a better VP--if he could show he was truly post-partisen & a "maverick".  Choosing Palin showed that he has no interest in moving beyond the neo-cons, and instead is embracing them.  It showed he puts the religious right first--not his country.