New Utica Square Construction (20th and Yorktown)

[tulsamatt]

I hear that the entire building where Olive Garden, Peppers, etc. are located is coming down. Any one know anything on this?

[Tulsan]

I knew Peppers was having their lease terminated but hadn't heard of any demo plans. There's nothing imminent anyway.

[BKDotCom]

Would you want to live there above a business you didn't own?

Is that any different than living in apartment you don't own above an apartment you don't own -  in a building with people you don't know?

Smells like Utica Square must have something cooking to redevelop the Miss Jacksons / Pettys / Olive Garden / Peppers site

[Red Arrow]

Is that any different than living in apartment you don't own above an apartment you don't own -  in a building with people you don't know?

I asked:

Would you want to live there above a business you didn't own?

Yes, I think it's different.  I wasn't necessarily thinking of owning the building.  I was thinking more of noise and smells at hours not of your choosing and whatever else that would make living somewhere undesirable.  If you own the business below, you have some control of what's below you.

Keep in mind that I was asking because I don't want to live in an apartment, duplex, condo.....
One of my cousins lived in a condo in Revere MA for a while in the 90s.  The building was OK but it reminded me of a hotel.  Wouldn't want to live in a hotel either.

I lived in a dormitory in college and barracks while in the Navy.  I knew it wouldn't last forever.  College was a 2 man room, 4 years.  Much of my time in the Navy I was in a 4 man room in the barracks. It was certainly better than the open barracks in boot camp and while waiting for electronics school but not my choice of prime living.  Basic Allowance for Quarters was not enough to get an apartment off base without a roomie so I didn't do that.  Again, not going to last forever.  Navy was a 4 year active duty enlistment.

[buffalodan]

So how disappointed are people ready to be when those plans finally get announced. That are would make for a nice sized Chik-fil-a, which I think is the exact opposite of what I want in that spot. I feel like as much as I think it would be stupid and not make any sense it would kill in the area, causing me a headache anytime I drove past and always angering me.

So it makes perfect sense. That's what my money is on.

[Red Arrow]

So how disappointed are people ready to be when those plans finally get announced. That are would make for a nice sized Chik-fil-a, which I think is the exact opposite of what I want in that spot. I feel like as much as I think it would be stupid and not make any sense it would kill in the area, causing me a headache anytime I drove past and always angering me.

Just try not to look.

[LandArchPoke]

So how disappointed are people ready to be when those plans finally get announced. That are would make for a nice sized Chik-fil-a, which I think is the exact opposite of what I want in that spot. I feel like as much as I think it would be stupid and not make any sense it would kill in the area, causing me a headache anytime I drove past and always angering me.

So it makes perfect sense. That's what my money is on.

My assumption is it is the Restoration Hardware flagship store finally moving forward. Will look just like the one they are building in OKC right now in the Oak development by Penn Square. Just like the one opened in Dallas on Knox Street.

They were planning that store back when Miss Jackson was demoed and the corporate development team got cold feet from what I had heard. They wanted to test the flagship store concept in a few more markets before opening some in smaller markets like Tulsa. It's been a massive successful, particularly the restaurant components that I believe RH will be slowing converting 100% of their stores where they can to these massive 'mixed-use' retail buildings. Certainly could see Arhaus opening next door too and they do a combo build out similar to what is being done in OKC and that's why Olive Garden, etc. is being moved out.

[SXSW]

^ That would be amazing if that's what happens.  I'd take Crate & Barrel over Arhaus though.  RH Rooftop Restaurant would kill it in that location

Still surprised Olive Garden didn't move further east but someone told me they do good business especially with people visiting St John. 

[Tulsan]

The last tenant (Dolphin Fine Linens) is moving out of 1960 Utica Sq into the 2048 building between Ediblend and Lolly Garden. The 1960 building (old Olive Garden) will now be vacant.

What I've heard is Utica Square requested concepts awhile back for a high rise mixed use development including residential on a footprint that would combine the Petty's/Miss Jackson parcel with the Olive Garden/Dolphin parcel. I was told they wanted grocery - i.e., Whole Foods. I do not know how realistic this is or whether things have moved forward, but they're obviously vacating that building for some reason. It will probably come down this year to make way for whatever they're planning.

[SXSW]

The last tenant (Dolphin Fine Linens) is moving out of 1960 Utica Sq into the 2048 building between Ediblend and Lolly Garden. The 1960 building (old Olive Garden) will now be vacant.

What I've heard is Utica Square requested concepts awhile back for a high rise mixed use development including residential on a footprint that would combine the Petty's/Miss Jackson parcel with the Olive Garden/Dolphin parcel. I was told they wanted grocery - i.e., Whole Foods. I do not know how realistic this is or whether things have moved forward, but they're obviously vacating that building for some reason. It will probably come down this year to make way for whatever they're planning.

I know they are also adding a lift from West Elm's back-of-house into their basement for storage since their current lift is in the 1960 building - another sign it will be demolished soon.  What an opportunity to do something fantastic with that entire half block..

[Urban Enthusiast]

The last tenant (Dolphin Fine Linens) is moving out of 1960 Utica Sq into the 2048 building between Ediblend and Lolly Garden. The 1960 building (old Olive Garden) will now be vacant.

What I've heard is Utica Square requested concepts awhile back for a high rise mixed use development including residential on a footprint that would combine the Petty's/Miss Jackson parcel with the Olive Garden/Dolphin parcel. I was told they wanted grocery - i.e., Whole Foods. I do not know how realistic this is or whether things have moved forward, but they're obviously vacating that building for some reason. It will probably come down this year to make way for whatever they're planning.

That would be really cool!  I wish the newly rebuilt Prosperity Bank at 21st and Utica could have been something along those lines.  Could have still kept the bank on the ground floor. 

[SXSW]

That would be really cool!  I wish the newly rebuilt Prosperity Bank at 21st and Utica could have been something along those lines.  Could have still kept the bank on the ground floor. 

That Prosperity Bank is so stupid.  One of the key hard corners in midtown (and all of Tulsa) and you put a bank with a drive-thru.  The bank and drive-thru could've been on the ground floor with offices or residences above.  I don't get it.