Obama To Confiscate All Weapons!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Sorry to interupt the old man memory lane trip but the idea that Obama is anti-gun is a redneck invention.  Sorry. When I hear "Obama is coming for our guns!", what I really hear is "That black bastard thinks he is good enough to be president!" Argue economics instead.

Then again, if you have a gun charge you could always have guido or lionel hutz defend you.

Can this joke thread be over with already?

Playing the "race card" on me, huh?  Interesting.

And you really should be more respectful of your elders.  Didn't your parents teach you anything - or are they still trying?


And the reality is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWajf5RkDJ8&feature=related

His campaign paper - about banning handguns - so he lies about it during the debate.

Mention of "unscrupulous" straw-man dealers who put guns in the hands of criminals - as exemplified by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms in "Fast and Furious".

David Plouffe addressed the topic for him by saying he would address the issue at a later time (after the next election, in case you didn't  understand what he meant).

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod promised Obama will "engage" on the gun-control issue.


Last March (2011), Sarah and James Brady visited the White House for a "pep talk" about gun control -right from Sarah's mouth;

On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial "large magazines." Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, "to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda," she said.

"I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."


The only reason you haven't heard anything lately is because he realizes it would create more issues that he doesn't want to deal with now.

Oh, and as far as economics - well, the economics are taking care of themselves as well as can be expected.  If you had been paying attention, you would have seen the reference to www.crgraphs.com where lots of good things are shown.  Until we get our corporations to realize that exporting jobs, it is as good as it can get.  In particular, check out the manufacturing graphs.  Sooo much better than during Baby Bush...

[Red Arrow]

Guess you really aren't old enough.  I still have the Weekly Reader that highlighted the "new" Lincoln Memorial penny.  Just happened to run across that last weekend.  

I'm old enough.  Dad wasn't really happy with us even having cap guns.  We weren't allowed to point them at each other.  Dad was not a gun control freak, he just wanted to keep us from getting into a bad habit.  We almost got a rifle to shoot sharks if needed in the mid 60s.  We had a boat that we took to the Florida Keys on a few vacations to go fishing in the Gulf Stream off of Islamorada.  We never did get the rifle.

Kites were available at the local variety store about a block away.  Regular diamond shaped kites were about $.10  I just never paid much attention to the brand name.  It wasn't important.

[carltonplace]

Then again, if you have a gun charge you could always have guido or lionel hutz defend you.

Is Lionel Hutz code for cannon_fodder?

"Judge, I move for a bad court thingy".

[we vs us]

I'm amazed at the paranoia here.  Heiro, you're relying on a reading of the flimsiest of tea leaves to support your case.  Heresay, one-off comments, oblique references.   It's just like the Birther rabbit hole, except about your pet cause.  But make no mistake, it's the same kind of crazy.

Obama's shown literally no willingness whatsoever to take on gun control.  He hasn't even made feints in that direction.  Honestly, it's complete radio silence.  And for those of us who want gun ownership to be like abortion -- legal and rare -- that silence is tragic.  Especially when you poke your head into Wanenmacher's and see the acres of tables filled with all kinds of ways to cap your neighbor. 

The sad part for gun-control-istas is that Democrats seem to have only so much energy to push back against some of the culture-war touchpoints of the right.   Gun control has been all but abandoned as an official plank of the only party that could effect meaningful change.  The Republicans certainly aren't going to do it.  Ergo, you should all feel reassured; without any sort of meaningful opposition, gun culture is not only going strong, it's booming. 

[Conan71]

Notice the difference.  He's NRA.  I'm not.  I don't trust a thing NRA says about gun-grubbing anymore.  They were set up in the lobby of the gun shows leading up to and after the Nov. 2008 election attempting to drive membership by spreading the word that Obama would really clamp down on guns in a way that not even Clinton would envision.  Total BS.  All it served to do was cause panic pricing on guns and ammo for a year or two.  Once it became apparent people were lied to, there's a bunch of people holding over-priced ammo and guns.  I simply cannot support a group who seeks to expand their coffers with nothing more than un-founded speculation.

FAIAC, they rank right up there with AARP on the list of self-serving associations I have no intention of belonging to.  

Oh, and as far as your stance on guns?  A liberal on gun control is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet

[we vs us]

Notice the difference.  He's NRA.  I'm not.  I don't trust a thing NRA says about gun-grubbing anymore.  They were set up in the lobby of the gun shows leading up to and after the Nov. 2008 election attempting to drive membership by spreading the word that Obama would really clamp down on guns in a way that not even Clinton would envision.  Total BS.  All it served to do was cause panic pricing on guns and ammo for a year or two.  Once it became apparent people were lied to, there's a bunch of people holding over-priced ammo and guns.  I simply cannot support a group who seeks to expand their coffers with nothing more than un-founded speculation.

FAIAC, they rank right up there with AARP on the list of self-serving associations I have no intention of belonging to.  

Oh, and as far as your stance on guns?  A liberal on gun control is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet

Also, I reserve the right to get my conceal/carry license the day my daughter starts dating. 

[Hoss]

Also, I reserve the right to get my conceal/carry license the day my daughter starts dating. 

then you better find out about 90 days in advance of her first date.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm amazed at the paranoia here.  Heiro, you're relying on a reading of the flimsiest of tea leaves to support your case.  Heresay, one-off comments, oblique references.   It's just like the Birther rabbit hole, except about your pet cause.  But make no mistake, it's the same kind of crazy.

Obama's shown literally no willingness whatsoever to take on gun control.  He hasn't even made feints in that direction.  Honestly, it's complete radio silence.  And for those of us who want gun ownership to be like abortion -- legal and rare -- that silence is tragic.  Especially when you poke your head into Wanenmacher's and see the acres of tables filled with all kinds of ways to cap your neighbor. 

I'm surprised at how you can interpret what Sarah Brady said about her conversation directly with Obama as a "flimsiest of tea leaves".  This is directly from the source of the Brady Bunch organization.  She is, by definition, the front woman for that group.

http://www.bradycenter.org/about/centerhistory

So what would consitute REAL evidence to you to show Obama's true intentions?

I am very pleased that Obama has recognized reality so far.  Like I have said, wait until after the next election.

Gun ownership is relatively rare - there are only about 80 million owners here in the US (estimate) with a total of a couple hundred million guns owned.  Not even 1 per person...

[we vs us]

So what would consitute REAL evidence to you to show Obama's true intentions?

Organized legislation, for one.  An official plank at the DNC, or anything in Obama's official literature that indicates any sort of appetite whatsoever to approach regulation of the market.  Increased enforcement on the part of Obama's Administration (via Holder) to crack down on gun crime specifically or to increase background checks or wait times or any sort of attempt to regulate the gun show market. 

But no.  There's nothing.  There's no advertised intent or even rumor aside from a single snippet of a single conversation from a single visit from one of many Democratic interest groups (and one of many serially disappointed Democratic interest groups).  You'd think that if he was delivering the goods to an important constituency that he'd want to telegraph it somehow pre-election.  But no.  There's nothing.  Not even weak-kneed attention from Holder. 

That's why this is such idiocy.  Any sort of honest assessment of Obama's threat to gun-owners would have to include what he's actually done and said about guns.  Aside from the infamous sentence or two from the early 2000's (or was it the 1990's?) he's done and said squat.   

[heironymouspasparagus]

Increased enforcement on the part of Obama's Administration (via Holder) to crack down on gun crime specifically or to increase background checks or wait times or any sort of attempt to regulate the gun show market. 
   

Just for now, and just for this one point - a crack down is exactly the opposite of what would be expected if one were needing an increase in gun crime to make the point we need more gun laws... just like what Billy Bob actually did throughout much of his term - intentionally would NOT prosecute gun possession laws by convicted felons at the Federal level.

Do you remember as far back as last year, when Fast and Furious was all over the news??  Not only were they NOT enforcing gun laws, they were UN-enforcing the law by providing assault weapons TO criminals.  And to be fair, Baby Bush did the same thing in his administration.


And you have heard one instance of what he actually said...unless you believe Sarah Brady is a liar.  (I do believe she is a liar, besides being delusional).  Will see what I can get for you.  Would real live votes on gun related laws satisfy the criteria?

[we vs us]

Just for now, and just for this one point - a crack down is exactly the opposite of what would be expected if one were needing an increase in gun crime to make the point we need more gun laws... just like what Billy Bob actually did throughout much of his term - intentionally would NOT prosecute gun possession laws by convicted felons at the Federal level.

Do you remember as far back as last year, when Fast and Furious was all over the news??  Not only were they NOT enforcing gun laws, they were UN-enforcing the law by providing assault weapons TO criminals.  And to be fair, Baby Bush did the same thing in his administration.


And you have heard one instance of what he actually said...unless you believe Sarah Brady is a liar.  (I do believe she is a liar, besides being delusional).  Will see what I can get for you.  Would real live votes on gun related laws satisfy the criteria?

Yes real live votes on gun related laws would increase the likelihood that we were trying to pass gun related laws. 

You've set up a situation where both action or inaction on gun laws constitute a threat from a specific person or party.  You've built a conviction quite separate from provable reality, and that's a weird thing considering most of your other views, which seem very proof- and fact-oriented. Sarah Brady having a convo with Obama and then speaking about it doesn't constitute any sort of measurable threat to your gun rights.  Might I also add that Obama has repeatedly disappointed interest groups all across the spectrum of the liberal voting bloc (such as it is), and his actions to-date point decisively towards another disappointing term for the gun-control folks. 

There're plenty of issue to ding Obama on; why choose something that's a ridiculous phantom borne utterly and entirely out of right wing panic? 

[heironymouspasparagus]

Sarah Brady having a convo with Obama and then speaking about it doesn't constitute any sort of measurable threat to your gun rights.  

Goes to intent.  And Sarah Brady not only talks about it, but has actually formed an organization dedicated to the proposition.  And this very definitely IS measurable intent.  And since she has shown an ability to have 'face time' with the President, and said that he expressed at least a certain amount of sympathy to the proposition, that may not quite be 'measurable', but it certainly does warrant a response to try to ensure that the thought gains NO traction.

Plus, he has votes going back quite a while on the topic.  Will get you some info.

I have NO interest in being disappointed by Obama.