Claim to ‘cure’ homosexuality

[TheArtist]

No no no, these aren't older gay people these are always either younger gay people, early 20s who have moved to Tulsa from Sand Springs or people who are older and were raised there but now live in Tulsa.  No gay person I know of would purposefully move TO Sand Springs.  Most gay people I know of leave Tulsa and most gays wouldnt move here from some where else let alone to Sand Springs.  If its not the refinery angle, there must be something lol.  The one idea that could be possible is as many of my friends have noticed,,, Gay people who are born in Tulsa tend to leave to go to the more "hip or best places to live" or big cities.  And for the small towns around Tulsa,  Tulsa is the big city for them.   The gay population in Tulsa is very poor and uneducated compared to what you will find in say Dallas or Austin. Here we basically start talking about that "creative class" disparity thing that Tulsa has a problem with.

But that still wouldn't explain why you see more of them from Sand Springs than say Owasso and BA?  Unless they are likely to be the more "severely closeted" types from being brought up in those more religious environments lol?  Although more and more they are coming from those areas.  Perhaps its because the age demographics of the people who have moved to BA, started their families, many of those kids havent yet become old enough to move out on their own. Just guesses.

[tulsa1603]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

No no no, these aren't older gay people these are always either younger gay people, early 20s who have moved to Tulsa from Sand Springs or people who are older and were raised there but now live in Tulsa.  No gay person I know of would purposefully move TO Sand Springs.  Most gay people I know of leave Tulsa and most gays wouldnt move here from some where else let alone to Sand Springs.  If its not the refinery angle, there must be something lol.  The one idea that could be possible is as many of my friends have noticed,,, Gay people who are born in Tulsa tend to leave to go to the more "hip or best places to live" or big cities.  And for the small towns around Tulsa,  Tulsa is the big city for them.   The gay population in Tulsa is very poor and uneducated compared to what you will find in say Dallas or Austin. Here we basically start talking about that "creative class" disparity thing that Tulsa has a problem with.

But that still wouldn't explain why you see more of them from Sand Springs than say Owasso and BA?  Unless they are likely to be the more "severely closeted" types from being brought up in those more religious environments lol?  Although more and more they are coming from those areas.  Perhaps its because the age demographics of the people who have moved to BA, started their families, many of those kids havent yet become old enough to move out on their own. Just guesses.

You know, i used to think the same thing about Pryor.  I know SOOO many gays from there, it's crazy.  They have that Mid America Industrial Park...Hmm....Hhahaha

[PonderInc]

I agree with Artist that Tulsa is a "training bra" city.  It's where people from rural areas/small towns come to the "big city."  A lot of native Tulsans, on the other hand, can't wait to leave and go somewhere more sophisticated/open-minded/cultural/full of energy, etc.  

By the way, instead of searching for a "cure" for homosexuality...perhaps we should work to cure bigotry and arbitrary hatred, instead.

Of all the problems I can think of in the world, not one of them is caused by too many people loving each other.

Just a thought.

[TURobY]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The gay population in Tulsa is very poor and uneducated compared to what you will find in say Dallas...

We must be thinking of different cities named Dallas. [] Every person I met in Dallas was a dunce, and don't get me started on Houston.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

The gay population in Tulsa is very poor and uneducated compared to what you will find in say Dallas...

We must be thinking of different cities named Dallas. [] Every person I met in Dallas was a dunce, and don't get me started on Houston.

While this is getting rather off topic, I thought I would reply.  I have lived in Tulsa all my life and visited Dallas, Houston many times over the past 40 years and interacted with the gay communities and populations of all 3 cities.  I have found there to be no real difference in the education and attitudes of the gay people (and the population in general) in these cities; the only difference to me is sheer numbers of inhabitants.

All 3 cities have their fair share of elite, or self-important elite gay & straight persons that think their "sh*t don't stink" and think civilization would crash without them.  The vast majority of gay people in Tulsa/Dallas/Houston are not the people you see at the gay bars and marching in the pride parades, they are average middle class people like myself that are happy to just blend in with the general population and keep their private lives private.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

The vast majority of gay people in Tulsa/Dallas/Houston are not the people you see at the gay bars and marching in the pride parades, they are average middle class people like myself that are happy to just blend in with the general population and keep their private lives private.

So going to a gay bar or a pride parade equates to not being a average middle class person?  I hope you didn't mean to imply that Steve.  I don't really go to bars either because I normally have other things I find more entertaining, but I certainly wouldn't say the people at the bars or at the parade are any different than myself.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by Steve

The vast majority of gay people in Tulsa/Dallas/Houston are not the people you see at the gay bars and marching in the pride parades, they are average middle class people like myself that are happy to just blend in with the general population and keep their private lives private.

So going to a gay bar or a pride parade equates to not being a average middle class person?  I hope you didn't mean to imply that Steve.  I don't really go to bars either because I normally have other things I find more entertaining, but I certainly wouldn't say the people at the bars or at the parade are any different than myself.

I have frequented many a gay bar myself in my years; what I was trying to say was that the gay people most in the public eye, those that get the publicity, are the extremes you see at events like the "pride" parades, the Dykes on Bikes, the gay men in nun's habits, etc.  I don't think these folks are truly representative of the gay population, but they are the ones that get the publicity.  I agree with you, the average gay bar patron is no different than me, except where they choose to socialize.

[TheArtist]

Ok so what do you think about this then...  The dating scene for the college educated,fit, well traveled, yuppy, "creative class" gay person in Tulsa. I think that type of person is practically nonexistent here. Compared to say, Denver or Austin.  

Is it equally difficult for both gay and straight people here to find that type?

If it is more difficult regardless, is that because so many of that type leave Tulsa and or Tulsa is not a place where those people would choose to move?

Or is it just a fact of population numbers in general?  Less people thus less percentage of gays of any type?

I think that, as that guest speaker who came into town once said,,, "Gays are like the canary in the mine" they are a good indicator of whether the "creative class" type person will find an area attractive or not.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Ok so what do you think about this then...  The dating scene for the college educated,fit, well traveled, yuppy, "creative class" gay person in Tulsa. I think that type of person is practically nonexistent here. Compared to say, Denver or Austin.  

Is it equally difficult for both gay and straight people here to find that type?

If it is more difficult regardless, is that because so many of that type leave Tulsa and or Tulsa is not a place where those people would choose to move?

Or is it just a fact of population numbers in general?  Less people thus less percentage of gays of any type?

I think that, as that guest speaker who came into town once said,,, "Gays are like the canary in the mine" they are a good indicator of whether the "creative class" type person will find an area attractive or not.

But Richard Florida rated Tulsa number 16 in metro areas with population between 500,000 and 1 million. He said 28.7% or 112,700 people were in the creative class.

I'm not saying when it comes to dating Tulsa is great, because I don't know, but in terms of the creative class which i presume you are mentioning Tulsa isn't doing badly.

[PonderInc]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Ok so what do you think about this then...  The dating scene for the college educated,fit, well traveled, yuppy, "creative class" gay person in Tulsa. I think that type of person is practically nonexistent here. Compared to say, Denver or Austin.  

Is it equally difficult for both gay and straight people here to find that type?

Walk down the street in Denver or Austin and the thing you notice is all the young people.  And then you realize what's different about Tulsa:  All the spunky young people have moved to places like Denver and Austin!

It's pretty common to hear people in their twenties lamenting that they "will never meet somebody here."  It's not a gay/straight thing.  I think it's related to the percent of the population that's young and single.

We have a pretty high divorce rate, though, so I suppose the chances of meeting someone increase after 10 or 20 years...if you can wait that long! []

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by Steve

The vast majority of gay people in Tulsa/Dallas/Houston are not the people you see at the gay bars and marching in the pride parades, they are average middle class people like myself that are happy to just blend in with the general population and keep their private lives private.

So going to a gay bar or a pride parade equates to not being a average middle class person?  I hope you didn't mean to imply that Steve.  I don't really go to bars either because I normally have other things I find more entertaining, but I certainly wouldn't say the people at the bars or at the parade are any different than myself.

I have frequented many a gay bar myself in my years; what I was trying to say was that the gay people most in the public eye, those that get the publicity, are the extremes you see at events like the "pride" parades, the Dykes on Bikes, the gay men in nun's habits, etc.  I don't think these folks are truly representative of the gay population, but they are the ones that get the publicity.  I agree with you, the average gay bar patron is no different than me, except where they choose to socialize.

Of course watching the defectives is going to be more entertaining and get more publicity.  Gay bankers and lawyers are boring to put in the papers, so says Joe.My.God. []